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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 19 11.27am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Really? Nothing? Do all economic decisions take more than three years to have any effect? By that logic any success Obama had was down to the genius of George Bush. Obama was POTUS for 8 years and he inherited a struggling economy from Bush. Trump has been POTUS for 2 years and he inherited a booming economy from Obama. Whilst any country's economic performance depends upon much more than just who leads it those simple facts tell you that Trump is lying when claiming credit. The best he can claim is that he hasn't yet messed up what happened under Obama's watch, although in time the increased debt caused by the tax cuts and his trade wars could do just that. That the Fed are refusing to cut interest rates is indicative of their nervousness. So no, nothing positive at all because of Trump. It's just more snake oil.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Jun 19 11.54am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Booming? Got any figures to support this?
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Teddy Eagle  06 Jun 19 11.55am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Obama was POTUS for 8 years and he inherited a struggling economy from Bush. Trump has been POTUS for 2 years and he inherited a booming economy from Obama. Whilst any country's economic performance depends upon much more than just who leads it those simple facts tell you that Trump is lying when claiming credit. The best he can claim is that he hasn't yet messed up what happened under Obama's watch, although in time the increased debt caused by the tax cuts and his trade wars could do just that. That the Fed are refusing to cut interest rates is indicative of their nervousness. So no, nothing positive at all because of Trump. It's just more snake oil. This is the same Obama under whose presidency US national debt increased from 6.3 trillion dollars to 14.4 trillion dollars?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 19 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Obama was POTUS for 8 years and he inherited a struggling economy from Bush. Trump has been POTUS for 2 years and he inherited a booming economy from Obama. So no, nothing positive at all because of Trump. It's just more snake oil. That really is just spin. You obviously can't just draw a line between presidents or claim that any administration totally controls economic conditions but the fact is that African American employment is better than it ever was under Obama and everyone's wages are now recovering after plummeting under Obama. The economy is doing very well despite all the ridiculous anti Trump scaremongering.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Jun 19 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
So only democrat states issue welfare checks to black people? Ok. Not a laughable and nonsensical biased argument there at all. Plenty of poor white people get welfare checks in republican states. Must be a conspiracy. So in your blinkered world, sitting somewhere in England, you don’t think that any black person has ever been held back from a job or opportunity because of the color of their skin? Are you black, Penge Eagle? I guess not. White English people trying to opine on matters of race in America makes me chuckle. Maybe that 6 months you spent in LA allowed you to walk in the shoes of an African American brother? The conservative wish to destroy welfare and the health service here shouldn’t be confused with trying to get people to stand on their own 2 feet. Your LBJ quote is disputed as you know, but he certainly used the word, as did just about everyone of his age from where he grew up. He was still instrumental in passing civil rights legislation started by JFK. Damn anyone for giving financial aid to a single black mother working 2 jobs, she should be given a hand up and sorted out with a 3rd job on Sundays to make ends meet. If you want to see poor people milking the benefits system for all it’s worth, look no further than your own doorstep there in blighty. Again, you either don't understand my point or refuse to acknowledge it. We were talking about the black community. And the rise in single mothers there is greatest compared to whites (20% to 70%) due to LBJ. It's nowhere near that for whites with welfare and single motherhood with the dependency on government for welfare. That is the point! The link with the Democrats and black votes. You think it's because blacks adopt a "herd mentality" whatever that means. I lived in Los Angeles for two years. But you said I can't talk about Trump because I live in the UK. Now you say I can't talk about blacks because I am white. But you can, and not me? And tell me, why do you post about Brexit if you live in the US then? Didn't you criticise Hrolf for 'policing' the boards. You sir, are a big hypocrite. You accuse others of 'whataboutery' yet bring up benefit system in the UK in this post. Hypocrite. Edited by Penge Eagle (06 Jun 2019 12.10pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 19 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Booming? Got any figures to support this? Try reading this:- No doubt the next thing you will say is that as it comes from NBC it must be "fake news". Trump would!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 19 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This is the same Obama under whose presidency US national debt increased from 6.3 trillion dollars to 14.4 trillion dollars? Sure on Obama's watch the national debt more than doubled. It was a big recession that needed a big recovery effort. Trump's actual impact on the national debt won't be known for quite a while yet so any kind of real comparison is impossible. However, it is forecast to rise from the 78% of GDP it is right now to 93% in 10 years time. That's Trump's watch's impact! Read this:- That is the analysis of real economists and not that of a narcissistic liar who believes he knows more about everything than anyone else.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 19 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That really is just spin. You obviously can't just draw a line between presidents or claim that any administration totally controls economic conditions but the fact is that African American employment is better than it ever was under Obama and everyone's wages are now recovering after plummeting under Obama. The economy is doing very well despite all the ridiculous anti Trump scaremongering. As that is the point I have been making I agree with you. What we are seeing is the top of a wave. Trump's impact is not yet being felt, but it will be. It won't be the only reason why the economy will slow down again but his policies are going to accelerate the decline and not moderate it. The sad thing is that it will likely have to be a Democratic POTUS who inherits this in 2020 and have to try to kick start another recovery. Knowing the way politics works they will then get the blame just as Trump is now taking the credit.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 19 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Sure on Obama's watch the national debt more than doubled. It was a big recession that needed a big recovery effort. Trump's actual impact on the national debt won't be known for quite a while yet so any kind of real comparison is impossible. However, it is forecast to rise from the 78% of GDP it is right now to 93% in 10 years time. That's Trump's watch's impact! Read this:- That is the analysis of real economists and not that of a narcissistic liar who believes he knows more about everything than anyone else.
You are a desperate man.
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| Maine Eagle USA 06 Jun 19 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Again, you either don't understand my point or refuse to acknowledge it. We were talking about the black community. And the rise in single mothers there is greatest compared to whites (20% to 70%) due to LBJ. It's nowhere near that for whites with welfare and single motherhood with the dependency on government for welfare. That is the point! The link with the Democrats and black votes. You think it's because blacks adopt a "herd mentality" whatever that means. I lived in Los Angeles for two years. But you said I can't talk about Trump because I live in the UK. Now you say I can't talk about blacks because I am white. But you can, and not me? And tell me, why do you post about Brexit if you live in the US then? Didn't you criticise Hrolf for 'policing' the boards. You sir, are a big hypocrite. You accuse others of 'whataboutery' yet bring up benefit system in the UK in this post. Hypocrite. Edited by Penge Eagle (06 Jun 2019 12.10pm) Generally when I disagree with someone I do refuse to believe that their point is correct, yes. Thats called disagreeing. You're not so good at actually addressing what someone posts, and prefer to just put out some of your own unrelated talking points. Its a poor debate strategy, but ok. You can google herd mentality, or even better here is a link for you, I am a bit shocked you haven't heard of it given whats going on in the UK right now: You made points about CNN "holding back" black people by telling them that the reason they haven't achieved success in life is racism. I contend that you are in no position to make that statement, as you werent born with black skin. I can tell you for an absolute fact, even though I am not black, that racism is alive and well in the States and sometimes people do not get jobs/apartments because of being black. That is simply a fact. Whether or not CNN have a gameplan to suppress black people and keep them aligned with the democrats, by telling them that race is the reason for everything bad that happens in their life, is not a fact, it is conjecture. Whataboutery generally means totally ignoring every point put to you, and replying solely on something else. Here is a definition: I didnt do that, I simply pointed out that you may want to look at people other than black people in the States, for habitual welfare reliance.
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| Maine Eagle USA 06 Jun 19 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are a desperate man. We can add eliminating national debt to Trump's top 5 list: Making Mexico pay for a border wall
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 19 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
We can add eliminating national debt to Trump's top 5 list: Making Mexico pay for a border wall Desperate and more desperate.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 19 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are a desperate man. The desperation isn't coming from me! I am merely describing what is established fact and a forecast from a Congressional source. I acknowledged, as does the article, that things could change, especially if policy changes. The underlying point is that the credit that Trump claims for the current economy isn't his to claim, and that the future is forecast to look worse. As the future is where Trump's current actions will materialise into economic realities an association is not too difficult to make. No desperation. Just the truth.
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| Maine Eagle USA 06 Jun 19 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Desperate and more desperate. Desperate to keep his promises, yes I expect he is. Trouble is he lies hundreds of times every week.
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| Teddy Eagle 06 Jun 19 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The desperation isn't coming from me! I am merely describing what is established fact and a forecast from a Congressional source. I acknowledged, as does the article, that things could change, especially if policy changes. The underlying point is that the credit that Trump claims for the current economy isn't his to claim, and that the future is forecast to look worse. As the future is where Trump's current actions will materialise into economic realities an association is not too difficult to make. No desperation. Just the truth. So with this “truth” in mind if the economy does take a downturn Trump can’t be blamed any more than Obama: it will all be due to circumstances beyond his control. If he did get rid of the national debt there are some who would dismiss the effort as blind luck or point to the man who doubled it as the cause of its elimination.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Jun 19 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Try reading this:- No doubt the next thing you will say is that as it comes from NBC it must be "fake news". Trump would! I asked for some stats, not a link to fake news NBC.
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| Teddy Eagle 06 Jun 19 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I asked for some stats, not a link to fake news NBC. Tips hat.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 19 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So with this “truth” in mind if the economy does take a downturn Trump can’t be blamed any more than Obama: it will all be due to circumstances beyond his control. If he did get rid of the national debt there are some who would dismiss the effort as blind luck or point to the man who doubled it as the cause of its elimination. I suspect it is when rather than if but whatever happens it won't be the sole responsibility of whoever is in the WH. An administration can help or hinder progress but there is always a time lag between cause and effect. Thus what we are seeing now is the result of many things but any political input was made during the Obama years. Trump cannot claim credit for any of it and only those who believe all he says, or Fox, won't understand that. So whilst Trump won't be solely responsible for any downturn he can modify it's impact by making it worse or better. Tax cuts and trade wars are not likely to make things better are they?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 19 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Desperate to keep his promises, yes I expect he is. Trouble is he lies hundreds of times every week. Wow. I'm getting double teamed by the Anti Trump twins but sadly for them, neither are very well endowed with objectivity or facts. No lubricant required.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Jun 19 4.09pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Generally when I disagree with someone I do refuse to believe that their point is correct, yes. Thats called disagreeing. You're not so good at actually addressing what someone posts, and prefer to just put out some of your own unrelated talking points. Its a poor debate strategy, but ok. You can google herd mentality, or even better here is a link for you, I am a bit shocked you haven't heard of it given whats going on in the UK right now: You made points about CNN "holding back" black people by telling them that the reason they haven't achieved success in life is racism. I contend that you are in no position to make that statement, as you werent born with black skin. I can tell you for an absolute fact, even though I am not black, that racism is alive and well in the States and sometimes people do not get jobs/apartments because of being black. That is simply a fact. Whether or not CNN have a gameplan to suppress black people and keep them aligned with the democrats, by telling them that race is the reason for everything bad that happens in their life, is not a fact, it is conjecture. Whataboutery generally means totally ignoring every point put to you, and replying solely on something else. Here is a definition: I didnt do that, I simply pointed out that you may want to look at people other than black people in the States, for habitual welfare reliance. I was specifically talking about black people. It's up to you to counter with data on other races if you think it's pertinent. But you don't. Then you bring up the UK??? Thanks for the Wiki link about 'herd mentality'. Again, it sounds good, but that is not evidence to back up your claim. I'm genuinely interested. Not sure why you always bring up where I live? Do you really believe one cannot comment on statistics from another country because one doesn't live there? I never denied racism exists, did I? I remember witnessing footage of racism last August when a mob of white left-wingers hounded the black Candace Owens out of a restaurant in Philly. Saying I cannot comment on racism because I haven't got black skin is one of the most idiotic things you've ever said... Edited by Penge Eagle (06 Jun 2019 4.12pm)
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