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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 13 Jul 23 2.43pm

The way I see it there may be various Reasons as to why this type of scandal happens to the BBC (and nowhere else).

For starters, these type of people are everywhere in society, but it's in the types of positions available in television that allows them opportunity, and it's the vastly Inflated sums of money paid to them that gives them means.

The BBC are an easy target. There is a general feeling of distaste with them spawning from the use of the obligatory Licence fee where, in this post 1950s world where there are other channels to choose from, is incredibly outdated and unjustified.
The recent scandals - especially operation yewtree - are abhorrent and needed to be outed, and quite rightly the BBC were castigated. But I'd be amazed if this thing doesn't happen on other Television companies as they breed the same level of Opportunity and means.

The Huw Edwards scandal is a good example of how this is only a story as it was against the BBC. If the highly paid Individual, paying for pictures of a 'teenager' to fund their addictions worked for a non-descript conglomerate, this would not be newsworthy (more the shame). The mother wouldn't have written to the head of BP(for Example) about one of their employees, and if so wouldn't have gone to the media about it.

Someone mentioned it's a tit-for-tat battle. And one that the BBC are losing. mostly due to their own ineptitude, failure to learn from their own mistakes and inability to change.


 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Helmet46 Flag Croydon 13 Jul 23 3.14pm

Tim Westwood was a BBC radio 1 DJ. He’s another one for your Top Trumps deck.
Whose next do you reckon? The copper from the Saville enquiry reckons there’s a massive name being protected.

Wonder who this one works for? (Reckon I can guess and suspect it begins with a ‘B.’

[Link]


Edited by Helmet46 (13 Jul 2023 3.18pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 13 Jul 23 3.43pm

Originally posted by Helmet46

Tim Westwood was a BBC radio 1 DJ. He’s another one for your Top Trumps deck.
Whose next do you reckon? The copper from the Saville enquiry reckons there’s a massive name being protected.

Wonder who this one works for? (Reckon I can guess and suspect it begins with a ‘B.’

[Link]


Edited by Helmet46 (13 Jul 2023 3.18pm)

Mr. Blobby?

 

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Jul 23 3.55pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Mr. Blobby?

Who was his famous squeaky clean DJ mate . . . ?

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Jul 23 3.56pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

The way I see it there may be various Reasons as to why this type of scandal happens to the BBC (and nowhere else).

For starters, these type of people are everywhere in society, but it's in the types of positions available in television that allows them opportunity, and it's the vastly Inflated sums of money paid to them that gives them means.

The BBC are an easy target. There is a general feeling of distaste with them spawning from the use of the obligatory Licence fee where, in this post 1950s world where there are other channels to choose from, is incredibly outdated and unjustified.
The recent scandals - especially operation yewtree - are abhorrent and needed to be outed, and quite rightly the BBC were castigated. But I'd be amazed if this thing doesn't happen on other Television companies as they breed the same level of Opportunity and means.

The Huw Edwards scandal is a good example of how this is only a story as it was against the BBC. If the highly paid Individual, paying for pictures of a 'teenager' to fund their addictions worked for a non-descript conglomerate, this would not be newsworthy (more the shame). The mother wouldn't have written to the head of BP(for Example) about one of their employees, and if so wouldn't have gone to the media about it.

Someone mentioned it's a tit-for-tat battle. And one that the BBC are losing. mostly due to their own ineptitude, failure to learn from their own mistakes and inability to change.


I'm feeling the constant need to point out that the BBC is publicly funded. Its employees are meant to be public servants - it's meant to be a public service broadcast organisation. Therefore, it is, and should be, far more accountable to the public than some private entity. Stories about corruption and failures at the BBC are in the public interest. The public has some right to know how their money is being spent.
Seriously, do people expect nobody to care that a newsreader can afford 35k for dirty pics? Or that despite the complaint being made in May, nothing was done until the Sun published the allegations? Or that everyone was threatened to withhold the name by lawyers - even though, as stated, these are public servants supposedly working in the public interest?
There are a couple of people here whose judgement is being clouded by bias. Publicly funded organisations should be scrutinised. Private companies can deal internally with things how they like, within the law, of course - not public ones.
Also, there seems to be quite a liklehood of criminal behaviour - stuff that has been proven (proven fact Wisbech) to have been covered up (proven fact) before. No amount of hand wringing and BBC sycophancy makes up for this. If the BBC falls due to its own corruption and failures, so be it. There will maybe arise something better and more transparent. Less pay for people with little or no talent would be a starting point for many.

Edited by ASCPFC (13 Jul 2023 3.58pm)

Edited by ASCPFC (13 Jul 2023 3.58pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 4.05pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Did you? What mislead me was this.

It isn’t semantics at all. It’s fact.

The culture of the time? Savile died 12 years ago.

The fact being referred to was the lack of a conspiracy.

The time referred to was when Savile was alive and active.

 


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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Jul 23 4.06pm

Seems Mr Edwards didnt stop at young people, he also harranged his fellow employees . . . [Link]

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 4.12pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

How I wish so much for an 'ignore' feature on HOL.

As I have told your “comrade in harms” many times you already have several. Two eyes to avert reading anything you don’t want to and ten digits to avoid typing any replies. I won’t be the least offended!

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 13 Jul 23 4.22pm

don't get personal. Why did you think this was aimed at you ?

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 4.26pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm feeling the constant need to point out that the BBC is publicly funded. Its employees are meant to be public servants - it's meant to be a public service broadcast organisation. Therefore, it is, and should be, far more accountable to the public than some private entity. Stories about corruption and failures at the BBC are in the public interest. The public has some right to know how their money is being spent.
Seriously, do people expect nobody to care that a newsreader can afford 35k for dirty pics? Or that despite the complaint being made in May, nothing was done until the Sun published the allegations? Or that everyone was threatened to withhold the name by lawyers - even though, as stated, these are public servants supposedly working in the public interest?
There are a couple of people here whose judgement is being clouded by bias. Publicly funded organisations should be scrutinised. Private companies can deal internally with things how they like, within the law, of course - not public ones.
Also, there seems to be quite a liklehood of criminal behaviour - stuff that has been proven (proven fact Wisbech) to have been covered up (proven fact) before. No amount of hand wringing and BBC sycophancy makes up for this. If the BBC falls due to its own corruption and failures, so be it. There will maybe arise something better and more transparent. Less pay for people with little or no talent would be a starting point for many.

Edited by ASCPFC (13 Jul 2023 3.58pm)

Edited by ASCPFC (13 Jul 2023 3.58pm)

Wrong on just about every level but I have no time now to explain why. Suffice to say that BBC employees are not civil servants, indeed many providing content aren’t even employees. Many are on short term contracts with little job security. All though are as entitled to as much privacy as everyone else.

Whether there has been any criminal behaviour is not decided by either you or me, but by the police, and so far they have said there isn’t any. Innuendo is not evidence. Fact!

I can though agree that there are people here whose judgement is clouded by bias. Walk past a mirror and you might see one.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 4.29pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

don't get personal. Why did you think this was aimed at you ?

Wasn’t it? Most such comments here seem to be.

The sentiments are accurate whether it was or not.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Helmet46 Flag Croydon 13 Jul 23 4.44pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wasn’t it? Most such comments here seem to be.

The sentiments are accurate whether it was or not.

Why would most comments be aimed at you?

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Jul 23 4.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wrong on just about every level but I have no time now to explain why. Suffice to say that BBC employees are not civil servants, indeed many providing content aren’t even employees. Many are on short term contracts with little job security. All though are as entitled to as much privacy as everyone else.

Whether there has been any criminal behaviour is not decided by either you or me, but by the police, and so far they have said there isn’t any. Innuendo is not evidence. Fact!

I can though agree that there are people here whose judgement is clouded by bias. Walk past a mirror and you might see one.

It's entirely correct and you are entirely incorrect. You clearly know nothing at all about this. Your lack of actual engagement is like arguing with a bot. I can't be bothered with it. You are completely one eyed and bias. Have a proper look into it, and have some self reflection if you wish to talk about reflections. Something is clouding your judgement, I have no skin in this game. I don't know who you think you are to insult my intelligence with your utter rubbish. You must work for the BBC. Who funds them? Who are their pay and incomes linked to? Is there any point asking? Are you BBC's version of Chat GPT? Did you even notice the investigation into the paedophilia and cover ups? Certainly, you are the epitome of useful idiot.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 13 Jul 23 4.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wrong on just about every level but I have no time now to explain why. Suffice to say that BBC employees are not civil servants, indeed many providing content aren’t even employees. Many are on short term contracts with little job security. All though are as entitled to as much privacy as everyone else.

Whether there has been any criminal behaviour is not decided by either you or me, but by the police, and so far they have said there isn’t any. Innuendo is not evidence. Fact!

I can though agree that there are people here whose judgement is clouded by bias. Walk past a mirror and you might see one.

Surely the point is that would any organisation want a person in a senior high profile position whose judgement is such that he indulges in the activities that he has. It doesn't really matter whether he has committed an actual crime on not, the damage he has done to the organisation's reputation is enough to warrent his dismissal.

 

Helmet46 Flag Croydon 13 Jul 23 4.51pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

It's entirely correct and you are entirely incorrect. You clearly know nothing at all about this. Your lack of actual engagement is like arguing with a bot. I can't be bothered with it. You are completely one eyed and bias. Have a proper look into it, and have some self reflection if you wish to talk about reflections. Something is clouding your judgement, I have no skin in this game. I don't know who you think you are to insult my intelligence with your utter rubbish. You must work for the BBC. Who funds them? Who are their pay and incomes linked to? Is there any point asking? Are you BBC's version of Chat GPT? Did you even notice the investigation into the paedophilia and cover ups? Certainly, you are the epitome of useful idiot.

Lol - he knows everything about everything. I’ve come to the conclusion that there is nothing he’s not an expert on. He’s a grown up version of that kid at school, you know the one!

Edited by Helmet46 (13 Jul 2023 5.02pm)

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Jul 23 4.56pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Seems Mr Edwards didnt stop at young people, he also harranged his fellow employees . . . [Link]

“Don’t speak ill of the sick”……. Mapletree 2023

Edited by Spiderman (13 Jul 2023 4.57pm)

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Jul 23 5.00pm

Originally posted by Helmet46

Lol - he knows everything about everything. I’ve come to the conclusion that there is nothing he’s not an expert on. He’s a grown up version of that kid at school, you know the one!

I just thought there was perhaps some reasoning and debate possible. The Saville enquiries and the fact that the BBC is a public service organisation have obviously passed him by. I thought the whole reason people defend the BBC is it's public service status, but it must simply be that it's anti Trump and anti Brexit if these opinions are anything to go by. I thought I made decent points but was obviously completely wrong. Judge, jury and executioner appointed. I also saw Teddy Eagle was treated with the same contempt when pointing out simple facts with evidence so there's obviously a reason.

 


Red and Blue Army!

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Jul 23 5.03pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

“Don’t speak ill of the sick”……. Mapletree 2023

Edited by Spiderman (13 Jul 2023 4.57pm)

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Jul 23 6.23pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I concur, but you're wasting your breath. The BBC has all the failings of any large institution, but we are better with it than not with it. Radios 3, 4, 6 Music, BBC 4, the World Service and a mass of local radio would not exist if it were not this public service. The World Service, in particular, is the envy of the world and respected everywhere it is not jammed.

I would agree with you regarding the World Service's reputation....though, as with me, it's often something people talk about rather than listen to....Not so perhaps with the other stations as the political culture has also touched them.

It should be remembered that most of the world outside of the west is not accelerated neo and social liberalism....And that is very much what the BBC sells.

Originally posted by silvertop

Trouble is, the right of the Tory party hates it and fill the right wing press with negative stories about it which their readers consume like milky tea. Just look at some of the waffle peddled on here.

For instance, one poster up the thread attacked the BBC for not broadcasting the U21 Euros. He conveniently forgot that ITV, Sky, BT and Ch4 (until the final) were also not hosting it. He mentioned that they were, however, showing the women's Ashes based on some mythical woke agenda. Again, conflating issues since (as I think I have said at least 3 times on THIS thread) inclusivity etc. is a statutory requirement imposed on both the BBC and Ch 4 under the Equality Act through a derived regulation brought in by...the Tories!!

You're correct that....pretty much the majority of anyone calling themselves a conservative have both a mistrust and dislike of the BBC, the further right they are the greater the disquiet.

It should also be noted that a large proportion of conservatives would rip the Equality Act to shreds as it's little more than a conduit to destroy most of what they believe in. Mentioning that it's been the Tories who have both pushed and implemented all these policies isn't lost on conservatives.....We don't own our party, just like most grass roots Labour people don't own theirs....Both parties are globalist and donor owned and treat their base with contempt.....At most they throw them unwanted scraps like Roman emperors at a feast.

Originally posted by silvertop

And it's not just here. Remember the withdrawal of the free license for pensioners? This was indirectly imposed by the Tories through fund cutting. The BBC did not want to do it and softened the impact by ensuring those pensioners who were actually poor did not pay (remember, pensioners disposable incomes passed those of the waged many years ago). Yet this did not stop pension groups campaigning, not outside Parliament or the local Tory office, but outside the BBC. Hook, line, sinker.

I don't know much about that, but it sounds like a regrettable policy.

Originally posted by silvertop

Unlike most of the print press, and much of the broadcast media, the BBC does not recite the Tory message and [gulp] often criticizes them directly. The affrontery! Thatcher hated the fact that it constantly called her policies to account. Surely a function of the Fourth Estate? And again, the attack of bias is rubbish. After a brief honeymoon with Blair the knives were out. Byers, for instance, was practically hounded by them out the door; and let's not mention WMD...

On Thatcher you're going back approximately thirty years. The BBC still at that time was far more politically diverse than it is now....parts of it were small 'c', while you would get your geniune political opposition as you mention.

Those times are long behind us.

I can point to Brexit, Covid and the Ukraine war as three recent events where the BBC didn't only restrict and in some cases defacto ban alternative opinions but they actively supported governmental policy by becoming a mouthpiece.

They did not balance the genuine opposition opinions to all of these positions to anything like a reflective reality of what was going on.

As a last word on this aspect, Tim Davie himself has admitted that the BBC has a 'liberal bias', while some might say that's an understatement, others might also ask why is a publicly funded body been allowed to become politically slanted.

Originally posted by silvertop

That said, the issues on funding, falling numbers and relevance are very important issues and the B.B.C. does face these existential issues as it constantly debates on Radio 4. However, that people conned into believing this right wing anti BBC agenda then construct arguments based on any event to justify that stance says more about them than it does about the BBC.

I'm afraid the future of the BBC has been decided, it's mostly unspoken knowledge to many. It's losing fee payers, it lost the right a long time ago and...well, the far left hate everything other than the far left. It only really exists for old people and liberals.

I shouldn't over emphasize the political I suppose even though it's tempting but essentially the Internet and how the young consume that dreaded word, 'content' is killing it anyway. Once the boomers are gone so shall it be.

Mistakes were made years ago that now would require major surgery to fix and it just wouldn't happen. The left and practical realities of technology have killed the BBC and like the Titanic, it's just a matter of time and frantic hand waving before it eventually slips below the waves.....at least in anything like the structure it is now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2023 6.28pm)

 


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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Jul 23 6.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm afraid the future of the BBC has been decided, it's mostly unspoken knowledge to many. It's losing fee payers, it lost the right a long time ago and...well, the far left hate everything other than the far left. It only really exists for old people and liberals.

I shouldn't over emphasize the political I suppose even though it's tempting but essentially the Internet and how the young consume that dreaded word, 'content' is killing it anyway. Once the boomers are gone so shall it be.

Mistakes were made years ago that now would require major surgery to fix and it just wouldn't happen. The left and practical realities of technology have killed the BBC and like the Titanic, it's just a matter of time and frantic hand waving before it eventually slips below the waves.....at least in anything like the structure it is now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2023 6.28pm)

An extremely good reposte Stirls, however, your nemisis that is Wissie is blowing fire n brimstone through his nostrils & his finger are feverishly bashing out a tirade directed towards you.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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