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Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

It is important to approach any statement or claim with a critical and objective mindset. While it is true that there have been instances in which aid workers have been affected by military actions, it would be inaccurate and unfair to categorize it as a universal characteristic of any specific military, including Israel.

There are many factors to consider when evaluating these incidents, such as the context, the specific circumstances under which they occurred, and the motives behind them. It is crucial not to generalize the actions of a few individuals or incidents to an entire military or nation.

Additionally, it is essential to remember that international conflicts are complex and often involve multiple parties with competing narratives. It is prudent to seek a thorough understanding of each instance before making broad generalizations or assumptions.

It is fair to criticize any country for violations of international law or disregard for civilian protection, but it is also important to maintain objectivity and avoid overgeneralizations.

Mate we’re not in a court of law - if you have a view or something to say, just say it - it’s a lot of telling people what they should and shouldn’t do when discussing this topic, without actually going into any detail.

You say I shouldn’t generalise but frankly that is all you’re doing; making huge general statements about ‘conflicts’ without acknowledging any of the specifics of this conflict - if you want to provide context or nuance to go against my criticisms of Israel, by all means provide it, but don’t just vaguely hint that they exist.

I agree it’s fair to criticise any country for multiple violations of international law or disregard for civilian protection, hence why I am criticising Israel.


 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Mate we’re not in a court of law - if you have a view or something to say, just say it - it’s a lot of telling people what they should and shouldn’t do when discussing this topic, without actually going into any detail.

You say I shouldn’t generalise but frankly that is all you’re doing; making huge general statements about ‘conflicts’ without acknowledging any of the specifics of this conflict - if you want to provide context or nuance to go against my criticisms of Israel, by all means provide it, but don’t just vaguely hint that they exist.

I agree it’s fair to criticise any country for multiple violations of international law or disregard for civilian protection, hence why I am criticising Israel.


You don't seem to understand the point I'm making. And I'm not going to explain it again.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Mate we’re not in a court of law - if you have a view or something to say, just say it - it’s a lot of telling people what they should and shouldn’t do when discussing this topic, without actually going into any detail.

You say I shouldn’t generalise but frankly that is all you’re doing; making huge general statements about ‘conflicts’ without acknowledging any of the specifics of this conflict - if you want to provide context or nuance to go against my criticisms of Israel, by all means provide it, but don’t just vaguely hint that they exist.

I agree it’s fair to criticise any country for multiple violations of international law or disregard for civilian protection, hence why I am criticising Israel.


Here are some facts about the country you are criticizing

1. Diverse Society: Israel is a melting pot of cultures, religions, and ethnicities, fostering diversity and tolerance.

2. Technological Innovation: Israel is a global leader in technology, with numerous contributions to fields like cybersecurity, medical research, and renewable energy.

3. Democratic Values: Israel maintains a democratic political system with free elections, freedom of speech, and an independent judiciary.

4. Historical and Cultural Significance: Israel holds profound historical and cultural significance for multiple religious and ethnic groups, making it a vital part of global heritage.

5. Pursuit of Peace: Despite regional challenges, Israel has consistently expressed a willingness to negotiate and work towards peace with its neighbors.


Hamas the other hand...

 

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Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

You don't seem to understand the point I'm making. And I'm not going to explain it again.

I think your point is you think my opinion of Israel is based on generalisations, a lack of objectivity or understanding of the context - if you want to hold that view, by all means, but you have to be able to actually point to ways in which I am guilty of what you suggest for it to hold any weight.

Just vaguely suggesting that ‘objectivity is important’ or ‘we should always consider the context’ are not points in themselves.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think your point is you think my opinion of Israel is based on generalisations, a lack of objectivity or understanding of the context - if you want to hold that view, by all means, but you have to be able to actually point to ways in which I am guilty of what you suggest for it to hold any weight.

Just vaguely suggesting that ‘objectivity is important’ or ‘we should always consider the context’ are not points in themselves.

It seems you're looking for specific examples or instances where your perspective on Israel might be seen as based on generalizations or lacking objectivity. Can you provide some context or examples of your views on Israel so we can discuss them more concretely? That way, we can delve into specific points rather than speaking in generalities.

 

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Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

Here are some facts about the country you are criticizing

1. Diverse Society: Israel is a melting pot of cultures, religions, and ethnicities, fostering diversity and tolerance.

2. Technological Innovation: Israel is a global leader in technology, with numerous contributions to fields like cybersecurity, medical research, and renewable energy.

3. Democratic Values: Israel maintains a democratic political system with free elections, freedom of speech, and an independent judiciary.

4. Historical and Cultural Significance: Israel holds profound historical and cultural significance for multiple religious and ethnic groups, making it a vital part of global heritage.

5. Pursuit of Peace: Despite regional challenges, Israel has consistently expressed a willingness to negotiate and work towards peace with its neighbors.


Hamas the other hand...

This reads like a tourism ad and is largely irrelevant - I am criticising Israel for their military conduct, nothing else. Their record on diversity or tech innovation does not provide any justification for war crimes, obviously.

As if it needs to be said, I do not support Hamas and have condemned their actions many times on this thread - my support is for civilians who are being murdered in droves, and my only interest is the preservation of innocent human life.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (04 Apr 2024 1.52pm)

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

This reads like a tourism ad and is largely irrelevant - I am criticising Israel for their military conduct, nothing else. Their record on diversity or tech innovation does not provide any justification for war crimes, obviously.

As if it needs to be said, I do not support Hamas and have condoned their actions many times on this thread - my support is for civilians who are being murdered in droves, and my only interest is the preservation of innocent human life.

I assume you mean condemned

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

This reads like a tourism ad and is largely irrelevant - I am criticising Israel for their military conduct, nothing else. Their record on diversity or tech innovation does not provide any justification for war crimes, obviously.

As if it needs to be said, I do not support Hamas and have condoned their actions many times on this thread - my support is for civilians who are being murdered in droves, and my only interest is the preservation of innocent human life.

Just give me specific points. I have already asked you to do this. But you haven't. What specifically don't you like about the Israeli military operation give me specific facts and occurrences which have happened.

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

I assume you mean condemned

Well spotted, thanks - post edited.

I guess semantics can be helpful sometimes

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

I assume you mean condemned

Israel generally receives more tourists compared to Palestine due to its larger infrastructure, marketing efforts, and variety of attractions. In recent years, Israel has welcomed millions of tourists annually, while Palestine's tourism industry, though growing, typically sees fewer visitors. However, some tourists visiting Israel also explore Palestinian territories, contributing indirectly to tourism in those areas.Then they are never seen again

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Well spotted, thanks - post edited.

I guess semantics can be helpful sometimes

I thought you were anti-semantic?

 

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When I read many of the posts on this thread and on others – both from left-wing and right-wing posters, I am reminded of a paragraph in Orwell’s essay Politics and the English Language:

“A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink."

Edited by georgenorman (04 Apr 2024 2.35pm)

 

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