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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I won't bother in telling you what I have discerned about your character. I think that most others, even those who share your political viewpoint, will have worked that out for themselves. Then don't simple... There you go again! You now know my political viewpoint...just like you knew my hero... when I pulled you up on it...you said you were obviously speculating...eventhough, I think, they are called modal verbs of speculation, were never used...were they Wisbech... Trump, also thinks his supporters would have worked out things for themselves, another diversion tactic.. You are so full yourself, you can't see how you and Trump share the same characteristics.
Edited by Park Road (08 Jun 2019 2.35pm)
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Diversion from what exactly? This thread has been pretty wide ranging but apparently has to conform to your boundaries. OK, how about you decide at the start of each thread which subjects are off limits just so everyone knows. Or better yet, you post Your wisdom and add a like button so everyone can agree with you and sit back in amazement at your grasp of geopolitical events. It was a diversion from the very specific point being discussed and totally irrelevant in that context. If you want to make points about other things that's your prerogative but linking them to another issue is to divert.
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Originally posted by Park Road
Then don't simple... There you go again! You now know my political viewpoint...just like you knew my hero... when I pulled you up on it...you said you were obviously speculating...eventhough, I think, they are called modal verbs of speculation, were never used...were they Wisbech... Trump, also thinks his supporters would have worked out things for themselves, another diversion tactic.. You are so full yourself, you can't see how you and Trump share the same characteristics.
Edited by Park Road (08 Jun 2019 2.35pm) Strangely I don't pay much attention to incoherent ramblings so cannot recall any precise details other than the wrong ends of several sticks being gleefully grasped in an effort to discredit. However I somehow doubt whether you could pull up a daisy so you most certainly have never pulled up me! I cannot think of one characteristic that I share with Trump. I will mention that idea down the pub later. They always like a good laugh in there.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It was a diversion from the very specific point being discussed and totally irrelevant in that context. If you want to make points about other things that's your prerogative but linking them to another issue is to divert. And explaining what diversions are isn’t a diversion.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Strangely I don't pay much attention to incoherent ramblings so cannot recall any precise details other than the wrong ends of several sticks being gleefully grasped in an effort to discredit. However I somehow doubt whether you could pull up a daisy so you most certainly have never pulled up me! I cannot think of one characteristic that I share with Trump. I will mention that idea down the pub later. They always like a good laugh in there. Then obviously you don't pay much attention to yourself... How the deluded speak...
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I won't bother in telling you what I have discerned about your character. I think that most others, even those who share your political viewpoint, will have worked that out for themselves. What a relief. No one cares anyway. Perhaps you would like to give us an example of the perfect socialist utopia with ideal leadership since so far you have bored us all half to death with your Trumpophobia and Nazi paranoia.
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I see Mexico caved and gave him what he wanted regarding the border. Bloke is awesome.
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
I see Mexico caved and gave him what he wanted regarding the border. Bloke is awesome. Ironically he is more than happy to accept immigrants who have something to offer and more importantly buy into the nations way of life, rules and regulations.
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
I see Mexico caved and gave him what he wanted regarding the border. The US definitely was lots of leverage in terms of trade agreements and the twisting of arms that hadn't been used as a strategy until Trump. It's hard to know how these things will pan out, but it's certainly a tool in the toolbox.
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Talking of deciding to put the squeeze on countries Saudi teen facing death penalty for taking part in protests as a child [Link] I guess saving anyone from such a fate who isn't a foreign citizen via international pressure is a pipe dream, but it's horrendous nonetheless.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And explaining what diversions are isn’t a diversion. Perhaps because I won't be diverted?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps because I won't be diverted? Not even by posting about diversion?
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not even by posting about diversion? Explanations are simply being polite!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Explanations are simply being polite! Well, I respect your civility.
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Originally posted by dollardays
The US definitely was lots of leverage in terms of trade agreements and the twisting of arms that hadn't been used as a strategy until Trump. It's hard to know how these things will pan out, but it's certainly a tool in the toolbox. The biggest bully in the playground always has leverage doesn't he? Until a bigger bully comes along and then those he has been bullying tend to take delight in seeing him face his comeuppance. That bigger bully may well turn out to be China in the not too distant future and other countries will undoubtedly have long memories. It's always been best to leave friends behind you and not force things through your strength. Not for nothing is it said that bullies, like cheats, never prosper for long. In the meantime trade wars and sabre rattling scare markets and raise tensions, without actually benefiting anyone. Even in this latest episode with Mexico it is far from clear what has actually happened and whether Trump has backed down on his tariff proposals because of internal pressures from those who understand the impact on US consumers and not because any "deal" has been done. Finding a way to stem the flow of migrants from the south is in both country's interests so it makes sense to find ways to co-operate. That flow has increased almost certainly, in my opinion, because of Trump and the fear among intending migrants that the border will be slammed shut in some way so they need to act now, or never. That there is a current crisis is obvious. How much that has been caused by Trump's rhetoric is not so clear. It's got worse ever since he started to bang on about his ridiculous "wall", which is not, I think, a co-incidence. There are much better ways to handle this than winding up your political base with sound bites.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The biggest bully in the playground always has leverage doesn't he? Until a bigger bully comes along and then those he has been bullying tend to take delight in seeing him face his comeuppance. That bigger bully may well turn out to be China in the not too distant future and other countries will undoubtedly have long memories. It's always been best to leave friends behind you and not force things through your strength. Not for nothing is it said that bullies, like cheats, never prosper for long. In the meantime trade wars and sabre rattling scare markets and raise tensions, without actually benefiting anyone. Even in this latest episode with Mexico it is far from clear what has actually happened and whether Trump has backed down on his tariff proposals because of internal pressures from those who understand the impact on US consumers and not because any "deal" has been done. Finding a way to stem the flow of migrants from the south is in both country's interests so it makes sense to find ways to co-operate. That flow has increased almost certainly, in my opinion, because of Trump and the fear among intending migrants that the border will be slammed shut in some way so they need to act now, or never. That there is a current crisis is obvious. How much that has been caused by Trump's rhetoric is not so clear. It's got worse ever since he started to bang on about his ridiculous "wall", which is not, I think, a co-incidence. There are much better ways to handle this than winding up your political base with sound bites. It's often the way of the world that you have to throw your lot in with someone. With the US, China and possibly India down the line holding massive sway, life either becomes a balancing act, a 'pick your poison', or a balance of the two. The US and UK are often said to be separated by a common language, but at the same time it is something that unites us too. That's one positive about the EU if it does or in our case had elected to offer more autonomy on immigration. There are undeniable pluses in having the weight of a large group or union behind you. If the EU doesn't totally go up the spout, or a shake up occurs in future where there are tiers of countries you can live in, or something along those lines, rather than 'everyone in' across the board, that might work. Maybe it takes leaving to get there. To further these iterations and to respect member states. I don't know. Both the 'remain come what may, everything is A-OK', and the 'f*** em all off' attitudes are both rather shortsighted and emotional in their own way. Perhaps when the dust settles, some sane balance will manifest. Trump's attitude to Mexico is partly symbolic rather than actual. For Republicans, as with the Democrats there are certain things that people want to hear. The US is so politically polarised that it now manifests itself in terms of on one hand the grotesque "They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people” and on the other an 'everyone in' attitude that with no criteria attached where it's frowned upon if you're not high fiving eveyrone as they cross the border. Hopefully a more sane approach will come about that respects both dignity of people, and is realistic as to what is possible. But I think most of us are used to the US being one big wacky contradiction by now anyway
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Originally posted by twist
Heres some interesting facts about undocumented individuals. 1. More people overstay their visa's than those that cross the border undocumented. Mexicans and latin Americans in general have been crossing the border in their thousands for decades. Some of them bring drugs with them, some of them are criminals, but 99+% of them are looking for work and a better life for their families. So much is made of drugs that make it across the border, but a wall is not going to stop it as over 70% of illegal drugs coming into the country, come in through gateways. Illegal drugs are not even what is the cause of the major drug problems of America, its prescription drugs. Trump likes to whip up his baying mob of MAGA hat wearing imbeciles with a war. Could be N Korea, could be his “invasion caravan” nonsense, could be his wall in general, could be mueller and the deep state out to get him, could be socialist dem boogie man scare tactics. Should be Russian interference, climate change or Saudi murder squads, but hey ho, those don’t excite his moronic base. He picks one every couple of weeks and his megaphone Fox News amplifies it to the masses of naive fools who hang on his every lie. Trump is mentally ill; he is a pathological liar. No normal human being should lie even 10% as much as Trump does. Taking anything he says seriously or paying it much mind is for the birds, just ask Leo Varadkar and his border wall.
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Originally posted by twist
Heres some interesting facts about undocumented individuals. 1. More people overstay their visa's than those that cross the border undocumented. Mexicans and latin Americans in general have been crossing the border in their thousands for decades. Some of them bring drugs with them, some of them are criminals, but 99+% of them are looking for work and a better life for their families. So much is made of drugs that make it across the border, but a wall is not going to stop it as over 70% of illegal drugs coming into the country, come in through gateways. Illegal drugs are not even what is the cause of the major drug problems of America, its prescription drugs. Well that's bulls*** by definition straight off the bat! "How long have you been here mate?" As for the rest? 82% of all unsourced statistics are made up, everyone knows that. Edited by ChrisGC (09 Jun 2019 8.12am)
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