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HKOwen Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 7.45am
Originally posted by georgenorman Who said your replies upset me? Most of them make me laugh, reading inconsequential bombast fabricated by pompous people often does. Edited by georgenorman (15 Jul 2023 6.20am) Tips hat to that post Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 7.45am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Who said your replies upset me? Most of them make me laugh, reading inconsequential bombast fabricated by pompous people often does.

Edited by georgenorman (15 Jul 2023 6.20am)

Tips hat to that post

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 7.52am
The 2011 Ofcom survey relied upon by WE to support his opinion ( opinions can't be proven as at that point they become fact but let's not be pedantic on poor use of English ) asked less than 1000 people who claimed to have an interest in the news, so it was limited to a narrow questioning based on news coverage only. A poll in 2022 by a national newspaper asked nearly 7000 of it's readers if the BBC was fit for purpose or should it be defunded. Over 95% thought the BBC was not fit for purpose and wanted it defunded from the the public purse. Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 7.54am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 7.52am

The 2011 Ofcom survey relied upon by WE to support his opinion ( opinions can't be proven as at that point they become fact but let's not be pedantic on poor use of English ) asked less than 1000 people who claimed to have an interest in the news, so it was limited to a narrow questioning based on news coverage only.

A poll in 2022 by a national newspaper asked nearly 7000 of it's readers if the BBC was fit for purpose or should it be defunded.

Over 95% thought the BBC was not fit for purpose and wanted it defunded from the the public purse.

Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 7.54am)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 8.33am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Keep going. [Link] Again, try reading what your link actually says and not what you want it to say. Wipe your mind free of preconceptions and try to be objective. No-one suggests this situation was healthy but that’s not the same thing. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 8.33am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Keep going.

[Link]

Again, try reading what your link actually says and not what you want it to say. Wipe your mind free of preconceptions and try to be objective.

No-one suggests this situation was healthy but that’s not the same thing.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 8.38am
Originally posted by georgenorman Who said your replies upset me? Most of them make me laugh, reading inconsequential bombast fabricated by pompous people often does. Edited by georgenorman (15 Jul 2023 6.20am) Standard assumptions not based on any evidence at all. I didn’t say you were upset. I said “if” you were you can always ignore. I ignore a great deal of things here that I regard as complete garbage and not worth bothering with. There are recent posts in this thread which are in that category. Try it! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 8.38am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Who said your replies upset me? Most of them make me laugh, reading inconsequential bombast fabricated by pompous people often does.

Edited by georgenorman (15 Jul 2023 6.20am)

Standard assumptions not based on any evidence at all.

I didn’t say you were upset. I said “if” you were you can always ignore.

I ignore a great deal of things here that I regard as complete garbage and not worth bothering with. There are recent posts in this thread which are in that category. Try it!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 8.41am
Originally posted by HKOwen The 2011 Ofcom survey relied upon by WE to support his opinion ( opinions can't be proven as at that point they become fact but let's not be pedantic on poor use of English ) asked less than 1000 people who claimed to have an interest in the news, so it was limited to a narrow questioning based on news coverage only. A poll in 2022 by a national newspaper asked nearly 7000 of it's readers if the BBC was fit for purpose or should it be defunded. Over 95% thought the BBC was not fit for purpose and wanted it defunded from the the public purse. Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 7.54am) I suspect Ofcom will select their respondents more objectively than any national newspaper with a particular readership. Try asking Guardian readers whether they believe the present government are doing a good job and you might get a 95% no. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 8.41am

Originally posted by HKOwen

A poll in 2022 by a national newspaper asked nearly 7000 of it's readers if the BBC was fit for purpose or should it be defunded.

Over 95% thought the BBC was not fit for purpose and wanted it defunded from the the public purse.

Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 7.54am)

I suspect Ofcom will select their respondents more objectively than any national newspaper with a particular readership.

Try asking Guardian readers whether they believe the present government are doing a good job and you might get a 95% no.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 15 Jul 23 9.10am
Originally posted by HKOwen The 2011 Ofcom survey relied upon by WE to support his opinion ( opinions can't be proven as at that point they become fact but let's not be pedantic on poor use of English ) asked less than 1000 people who claimed to have an interest in the news, so it was limited to a narrow questioning based on news coverage only. A poll in 2022 by a national newspaper asked nearly 7000 of it's readers if the BBC was fit for purpose or should it be defunded. Over 95% thought the BBC was not fit for purpose and wanted it defunded from the the public purse. Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 7.54am) Fewer. Just saying.

palace_in_frogland

In a broken dream 15 Jul 23 9.10am

Originally posted by HKOwen

The 2011 Ofcom survey relied upon by WE to support his opinion ( opinions can't be proven as at that point they become fact but let's not be pedantic on poor use of English ) asked less than 1000 people who claimed to have an interest in the news, so it was limited to a narrow questioning based on news coverage only.

A poll in 2022 by a national newspaper asked nearly 7000 of it's readers if the BBC was fit for purpose or should it be defunded.

Over 95% thought the BBC was not fit for purpose and wanted it defunded from the the public purse.

Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 7.54am)

Fewer. Just saying.

Teddy Eagle 15 Jul 23 9.17am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Again, try reading what your link actually says and not what you want it to say. Wipe your mind free of preconceptions and try to be objective. No-one suggests this situation was healthy but that’s not the same thing. The fact is people at the BBC knew what was happening and took no action which then led to young people being abused for decades. To claim that staff might have known but management didn't is just ridiculous and depends on no one being promoted. Complaints were made to the BBC at least as early as 1972 and Savile worked there until 1989 nothing was done and the same things happened with other offenders.

Teddy Eagle

15 Jul 23 9.17am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Again, try reading what your link actually says and not what you want it to say. Wipe your mind free of preconceptions and try to be objective.

No-one suggests this situation was healthy but that’s not the same thing.

The fact is people at the BBC knew what was happening and took no action which then led to young people being abused for decades. To claim that staff might have known but management didn't is just ridiculous and depends on no one being promoted.
Complaints were made to the BBC at least as early as 1972 and Savile worked there until 1989 nothing was done and the same things happened with other offenders.

HKOwen Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 10.36am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I suspect Ofcom will select their respondents more objectively than any national newspaper with a particular readership. Try asking Guardian readers whether they believe the present government are doing a good job and you might get a 95% no. Suspect LMFAO, never change Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 10.36am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suspect Ofcom will select their respondents more objectively than any national newspaper with a particular readership.

Try asking Guardian readers whether they believe the present government are doing a good job and you might get a 95% no.

Suspect LMFAO, never change

HKOwen Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 10.39am
Originally posted by palace_in_frogland Fewer. Just saying. Almost as charged am I guilty, although, there is a school of thought that less can used for a quantifiable but not the opposite. A fair call out though Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 10.39am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 10.39am

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

Fewer. Just saying.

Almost as charged am I guilty, although, there is a school of thought that less can used for a quantifiable but not the opposite.

A fair call out though

Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 10.39am)

HKOwen Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 10.41am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The fact is people at the BBC knew what was happening and took no action which then led to young people being abused for decades. To claim that staff might have known but management didn't is just ridiculous and depends on no one being promoted. Complaints were made to the BBC at least as early as 1972 and Savile worked there until 1989 nothing was done and the same things happened with other offenders. Not if someone says it was not the case, your head must be broken with all that wall banging, I share your pain Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 10.41am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not if someone says it was not the case, your head must be broken with all that wall banging, I share your pain

palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 15 Jul 23 10.48am
Originally posted by HKOwen Almost as charged am I guilty, although, there is a school of thought that less can used for a quantifiable but not the opposite. A fair call out though Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 10.39am)

palace_in_frogland

In a broken dream 15 Jul 23 10.48am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Almost as charged am I guilty, although, there is a school of thought that less can used for a quantifiable but not the opposite.

A fair call out though

Edited by HKOwen (15 Jul 2023 10.39am)

Badger11 Beckenham 15 Jul 23 11.48am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I suspect Ofcom will select their respondents more objectively than any national newspaper with a particular readership. Try asking Guardian readers whether they believe the present government are doing a good job and you might get a 95% no. Pointless argument about a 12 year old survey. I'm sure I can find one from that same year saying the Tories are doing a good job. Since 2011 there are far more streaming services and more people accessing them, more young people not watching conventional TV and fewer older ones as they have died off. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 15 Jul 23 11.48am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suspect Ofcom will select their respondents more objectively than any national newspaper with a particular readership.

Try asking Guardian readers whether they believe the present government are doing a good job and you might get a 95% no.

Pointless argument about a 12 year old survey. I'm sure I can find one from that same year saying the Tories are doing a good job.

Since 2011 there are far more streaming services and more people accessing them, more young people not watching conventional TV and fewer older ones as they have died off.

One more point

Teddy Eagle 15 Jul 23 11.56am
Originally posted by Badger11 Pointless argument about a 12 year old survey. I'm sure I can find one from that same year saying the Tories are doing a good job. Since 2011 there are far more streaming services and more people accessing them, more young people not watching conventional TV and fewer older ones as they have died off. Conversely older people who voted for Brexit and are no longer around are used as an argument to reverse the vote.

Teddy Eagle

15 Jul 23 11.56am

Originally posted by Badger11

Pointless argument about a 12 year old survey. I'm sure I can find one from that same year saying the Tories are doing a good job.

Since 2011 there are far more streaming services and more people accessing them, more young people not watching conventional TV and fewer older ones as they have died off.

Conversely older people who voted for Brexit and are no longer around are used as an argument to reverse the vote.

HKOwen Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 12.19pm
The BBC buys 50,000 copies of the Guardian a year, the public buy 100,000. Says it all really Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 15 Jul 23 12.19pm

The BBC buys 50,000 copies of the Guardian a year, the public buy 100,000.

Says it all really

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 2.07pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Pointless argument about a 12 year old survey. I'm sure I can find one from that same year saying the Tories are doing a good job. Since 2011 there are far more streaming services and more people accessing them, more young people not watching conventional TV and fewer older ones as they have died off. Not actually the point! The point is the basis of those being surveyed. If they are from the population as a whole or from any particular group. I have little doubt that an up to date survey wouldn’t produce an identical result. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 2.07pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Pointless argument about a 12 year old survey. I'm sure I can find one from that same year saying the Tories are doing a good job.

Since 2011 there are far more streaming services and more people accessing them, more young people not watching conventional TV and fewer older ones as they have died off.

Not actually the point!

The point is the basis of those being surveyed. If they are from the population as a whole or from any particular group.

I have little doubt that an up to date survey wouldn’t produce an identical result.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 2.28pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Not if someone says it was not the case, your head must be broken with all that wall banging, I share your pain It’s not me that says it though is it? It’s the report that says it. Despite the persistent claims to the contrary. Those claiming later to have known must have those claims treated with caution. All that is relevant is whether anyone reported suspicions to management at the time, whether employees, parents or the abused. It appears that this didn’t happen in any way to cause any kind of investigation to be undertaken. That this now seems both incredible and unacceptable is true and the strongest of reasons for the procedures to be improved. You think Teddy’s head hurts? Imagine mine with the level of obdurate misunderstanding of the actual facts involved. The persistent repetition of lies often results in people thinking them to be true. Certain tabloids do this all the time and I suspect it’s in play here. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jul 2023 2.31pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 2.28pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Not if someone says it was not the case, your head must be broken with all that wall banging, I share your pain

It’s not me that says it though is it?

It’s the report that says it. Despite the persistent claims to the contrary.

Those claiming later to have known must have those claims treated with caution. All that is relevant is whether anyone reported suspicions to management at the time, whether employees, parents or the abused. It appears that this didn’t happen in any way to cause any kind of investigation to be undertaken.

That this now seems both incredible and unacceptable is true and the strongest of reasons for the procedures to be improved.

You think Teddy’s head hurts? Imagine mine with the level of obdurate misunderstanding of the actual facts involved.

The persistent repetition of lies often results in people thinking them to be true. Certain tabloids do this all the time and I suspect it’s in play here.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jul 2023 2.31pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 2.35pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio More deluded crap from you. The only money I would pay toward the BBC would be to avail of FedEx dropping in a special delivery from Oppenheimer It’s this kind of attitude which makes the case for ensuring everyone contributes overwhelming. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 2.35pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

More deluded crap from you. The only money I would pay toward the BBC would be to avail of FedEx dropping in a special delivery from Oppenheimer

It’s this kind of attitude which makes the case for ensuring everyone contributes overwhelming.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 23 2.42pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It’s this kind of attitude which makes the case for ensuring everyone contributes overwhelming. It's this kind of attitude which will ensure that the numbers of those paying the licence fee will diminish drastically. Shame, The BBC have had their chances, yet are as entrenched as ever. The BBC is a bit like watching the decline of an actor/actress until they end up on Last of the Summer Wine. Their remaining years on this earth to be counted on their fingers. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 23 2.42pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It’s this kind of attitude which makes the case for ensuring everyone contributes overwhelming.

It's this kind of attitude which will ensure that the numbers of those paying the licence fee will diminish drastically. Shame, The BBC have had their chances, yet are as entrenched as ever. The BBC is a bit like watching the decline of an actor/actress until they end up on Last of the Summer Wine. Their remaining years on this earth to be counted on their fingers.

Red and Blue Army!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 2.43pm
Originally posted by cryrst That isn’t strictly correct wissie. Some people have no TV or radio. Only books and newspapers. Some don’t want to know the in and outs of BLM and Jordan. Those who don’t use the BBC still benefit from it. They aren’t just another media outlet to be compared to ITV, Sky or even Netflix. They are the BBC, our national broadcaster. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 23 2.43pm

Originally posted by cryrst

That isn’t strictly correct wissie. Some people have no TV or radio. Only books and newspapers. Some don’t want to know the in and outs of BLM and Jordan.

Those who don’t use the BBC still benefit from it.

They aren’t just another media outlet to be compared to ITV, Sky or even Netflix. They are the BBC, our national broadcaster.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Jul 23 2.44pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Those who don’t use the BBC still benefit from it. They aren’t just another media outlet to be compared to ITV, Sky or even Netflix. They are the BBC, our national broadcaster. HOW? This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Jul 23 2.44pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those who don’t use the BBC still benefit from it.

They aren’t just another media outlet to be compared to ITV, Sky or even Netflix. They are the BBC, our national broadcaster.

HOW?

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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