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hedgehog50  Croydon 10 Jan 17 10.46am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Far too many don't understand that money only ever gets sucked upwards, they still believe it trickles down.
Chinese workers are better off in their new communist-lite capitalist economy than they ever were under their socialist economy. Still lacking political and social freedoms of course, but those will follow eventually.
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 Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 10 Jan 17 10.49am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
For wanting a fairer society? No, for going the wrong way about it
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| .TUX. 10 Jan 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
No, for going the wrong way about it I agree (to a degree), but if it gets people thinking about the ridiculous wage disparity in this country rather than jumping on the 'Commie b'stard Bandwagon' then that can only be a good thing, imo.
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chateauferret  10 Jan 17 11.23am |
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Will the maximum wage apply to him? Maybe there'll be one rate for arseholes and one rate for everyone else.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Jan 17 11.43am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
I agree (to a degree), but if it gets people thinking about the ridiculous wage disparity in this country rather than jumping on the 'Commie b'stard Bandwagon' then that can only be a good thing, imo. It won't and it just highlights that he appears to be pursuing a Stalinist, managed economy agenda, which will continue to turn people away from voting Labour. This is a populist stunt designed to try and keep Labour in the news. He will never implement this if he ever got elected.
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| .TUX. 10 Jan 17 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
It won't and it just highlights that he appears to be pursuing a Stalinist, managed economy agenda, which will continue to turn people away from voting Labour. This is a populist stunt designed to try and keep Labour in the news. He will never implement this if he ever got elected. No change there then.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 Jan 17 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
It won't and it just highlights that he appears to be pursuing a Stalinist, managed economy agenda, which will continue to turn people away from voting Labour. This is a populist stunt designed to try and keep Labour in the news. He will never implement this if he ever got elected. Hehe. I've gotta say from being fairly blasé about Corbyn I am warming to the guy more and more. Yeah he's useless at politics but then we've had a ton of people in the past few decades who were supposedly 'politically savvy' and look where that has left us. Look at the Tories for example. Look at the flaky, opportunistic, spineless way they have all immediately caved in to Trump without so much as a f*cking word on him being anti-disabled, racist and a probable rapist. Corbyn has everyone screaming for him to fold in like a deck of cards, but he's still there making the same points as ever. Fair play to him, and if he does win, it will be worth it for the looks of horror on so many w@nkers faces in the media.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Jan 17 3.49pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Hehe. I've gotta say from being fairly blasé about Corbyn I am warming to the guy more and more. Yeah he's useless at politics but then we've had a ton of people in the past few decades who were supposedly 'politically savvy' and look where that has left us. Look at the Tories for example. Look at the flaky, opportunistic, spineless way they have all immediately caved in to Trump without so much as a f*cking word on him being anti-disabled, racist and a probable rapist. Corbyn has everyone screaming for him to fold in like a deck of cards, but he's still there making the same points as ever. Fair play to him, and if he does win, it will be worth it for the looks of horror on so many w@nkers faces in the media. Corbyn is simple populist politician, a left wing Le Pen. Like Le Pen he nods to a big idea, in his case a mythical 'fairer society' but provides no substance on how it would be achieved. Look at any of his campaigning. Pledging to build more houses, create a mythical NHS and reverse 'cuts'. No idea on how to pay or implement it. The sitting on the train floor debacle was pure spin. Like all such politicians, he appears paranoid and craves being a control freak. He has destroyed democracy and free speech in the Labour Party. Anyone who disagrees with him or Momentum is a 'Tory' or a 'Blairite'. By all means support the bloke if you are that way inclined but don't think for a minute that he is different to other politician. All he has done in his life is politics. BTW, he will never get power. How long can Labour excuse his lack of progress in reclaiming the vote in Scotland and Wales?
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Jan 17 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Corbyn is simple populist politician, a left wing Le Pen. Like Le Pen he nods to a big idea, in his case a mythical 'fairer society' but provides no substance on how it would be achieved. Look at any of his campaigning. Pledging to build more houses, create a mythical NHS and reverse 'cuts'. No idea on how to pay or implement it. The sitting on the train floor debacle was pure spin. Like all such politicians, he appears paranoid and craves being a control freak. He has destroyed democracy and free speech in the Labour Party. Anyone who disagrees with him or Momentum is a 'Tory' or a 'Blairite'. By all means support the bloke if you are that way inclined but don't think for a minute that he is different to other politician. All he has done in his life is politics. BTW, he will never get power. How long can Labour excuse his lack of progress in reclaiming the vote in Scotland and Wales? Yep. Plus he's bum buddies with McGuinness and Adams. Not to mention he potted one in the pink and one in the stink with that fuickng honking bit of kit Abbott.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 Jan 17 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Corbyn is simple populist politician, a left wing Le Pen. Like Le Pen he nods to a big idea, in his case a mythical 'fairer society' but provides no substance on how it would be achieved. Look at any of his campaigning. Pledging to build more houses, create a mythical NHS and reverse 'cuts'. No idea on how to pay or implement it. The sitting on the train floor debacle was pure spin. Like all such politicians, he appears paranoid and craves being a control freak. He has destroyed democracy and free speech in the Labour Party. Anyone who disagrees with him or Momentum is a 'Tory' or a 'Blairite'. By all means support the bloke if you are that way inclined but don't think for a minute that he is different to other politician. All he has done in his life is politics. BTW, he will never get power. How long can Labour excuse his lack of progress in reclaiming the vote in Scotland and Wales? I think his incompetency and general look of having no idea what he's doing suggest he is different to other politicians. It's why I am perversely warming to the guy the worse his public image gets. It's like watching what I imagine I'd be like in politics! I heard a good analysis recently saying that after 2016, a lot of people are looking to see where all the adults have gone in politics, but the truth is the 'adults' have all gone f*cking mad. Watch back the faces of Gove and Johnson after the Brexit result. They look like they've just watched their families killed in front of their eyes. This was the people who were meant to be our leaders of tomorrow, and it was like they had this realisation of just how damaging their political ambition and gutlessness could be. Corbyn never wanted to be leader. From all accounts he disagreed with running, and was pushed forward as the only option. That's the kind of guy we need running things - someone who has power thrust upon them, rather than going out of their way to win it. And you're right saying he probably never will be in power, but it seems like that's because those in the middle find the idea of fascism (see what I said about Trump) far more appealing than even a very moderate form of socialism. Corbyn ain't a Stalinist - if you think he is you need to get your history books out again - and the irony is a lot of what he says is echoed by most of the public. He's fighting against the tide, but then 2016 shows that you can win from that position, and just thinkin of all the people who rule our country, and have done for however many hundred years, just thinkin of their faces if he won is enough for me to support the guy
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Jan 17 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I think his incompetency and general look of having no idea what he's doing suggest he is different to other politicians. It's why I am perversely warming to the guy the worse his public image gets. It's like watching what I imagine I'd be like in politics! I heard a good analysis recently saying that after 2016, a lot of people are looking to see where all the adults have gone in politics, but the truth is the 'adults' have all gone f*cking mad. Watch back the faces of Gove and Johnson after the Brexit result. They look like they've just watched their families killed in front of their eyes. This was the people who were meant to be our leaders of tomorrow, and it was like they had this realisation of just how damaging their political ambition and gutlessness could be. Corbyn never wanted to be leader. From all accounts he disagreed with running, and was pushed forward as the only option. That's the kind of guy we need running things - someone who has power thrust upon them, rather than going out of their way to win it. And you're right saying he probably never will be in power, but it seems like that's because those in the middle find the idea of fascism (see what I said about Trump) far more appealing than even a very moderate form of socialism. Corbyn ain't a Stalinist - if you think he is you need to get your history books out again - and the irony is a lot of what he says is echoed by most of the public. He's fighting against the tide, but then 2016 shows that you can win from that position, and just thinkin of all the people who rule our country, and have done for however many hundred years, just thinkin of their faces if he won is enough for me to support the guy I am absolutely delighted that you, and your comrades, have firmly shoved your fingers in your ears and are refusing to accept that Corbyn is just another politican. It means that he will continue to be impervious to criticism and continue with his work making Labour unelectable. Corbyn does have Stalinist tendencies. He has destroyed democracy in the Labour Party, his acolytes use crude language to suppress internal debate (even worse when you consider what happened to Angela Eagle's office) and his economic policies are tinged with Soviet thought. I find your crude analogy that a Trump is a 'fascist' amusing. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the guy for a number of reasons but he isn't a fascist and you will find it self defeating if you continue with this line. However, I can't alter your thoughts nor do I really want to. Finally, you will realise one day that all that s***e you have sucked in about a Corbyn, laughably that he didn't 'want the leadership' when his campaign group, which became Momentum were all set up and funded bloody quickly for a shy, pushed candidate, is all typical politicians smoke and mirrors.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 Jan 17 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I am absolutely delighted that you, and your comrades, have firmly shoved your fingers in your ears and are refusing to accept that Corbyn is just another politican. It means that he will continue to be impervious to criticism and continue with his work making Labour unelectable. Corbyn does have Stalinist tendencies. He has destroyed democracy in the Labour Party, his acolytes use crude language to suppress internal debate (even worse when you consider what happened to Angela Eagle's office) and his economic policies are tinged with Soviet thought. I find your crude analogy that a Trump is a 'fascist' amusing. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the guy for a number of reasons but he isn't a fascist and you will find it self defeating if you continue with this line. However, I can't alter your thoughts nor do I really want to. Finally, you will realise one day that all that s***e you have sucked in about a Corbyn, laughably that he didn't 'want the leadership' when his campaign group, which became Momentum were all set up and funded bloody quickly for a shy, pushed candidate, is all typical politicians smoke and mirrors. Ah how I've missed your aggressive arguing approach Matthew I have to say though since I've taken a break from this site I've slightly lost the choleric force myself, so I'll let your delightful personal barbs and supercilious irony slide... One question I really do have though: you clearly are of the opinion that Corbyn is just another careerist/opportunist politician. But if he was, why did he wait around for the best part of 40 years hanging around the backbenches, before standing in the most improbable leadership election the Labour left has ever faced, of which he said himself he was just the next lamb to the slaughter? That would be a bit like seeing the love of your life in a bar, but then waiting until she was in her 70s with a husband and grandkids before going up to her and saying hello, would it not?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jan 17 5.08pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Honestly all this stuff about JC makes me warm to him too I shall be voting for him now. Never thought I would vote for Stalin though cannot see Jeremy signing 200 execution orders a day somehow. I'd have voted for Stalin, twice if he asked me. Its not like the election would be anything but rigged anyhow - and by rigged I mean everyone voting for the other candidate could collect their own special commemorative ice pick.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jan 17 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Most believe that the average worker should get more of the pot. Wages foe the high earners have reached absurd levels. Jeremy Corbyn claims that he wants to help the average bloke but he thinks that immigration rates are OK. Who is he kidding? It's all just political posturing hogwash. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Jan 2017 1.39pm) Actually in the same day he agreed that a) that the UK could benefit from being out of the EU b) Maximum Wages etc and c) That the UK should manage immigration to protect wages and jobs for UK citizens. Whilst I don't really believe in a Maximum Wage, I do agree with the principle inherent within it, that the disparity of pay is ridiculous when you have CEOs earning millions a year, and people working for them on minimum wage.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Jan 17 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Ah how I've missed your aggressive arguing approach Matthew I have to say though since I've taken a break from this site I've slightly lost the choleric force myself, so I'll let your delightful personal barbs and supercilious irony slide... One question I really do have though: you clearly are of the opinion that Corbyn is just another careerist/opportunist politician. But if he was, why did he wait around for the best part of 40 years hanging around the backbenches, before standing in the most improbable leadership election the Labour left has ever faced, of which he said himself he was just the next lamb to the slaughter? That would be a bit like seeing the love of your life in a bar, but then waiting until she was in her 70s with a husband and grandkids before going up to her and saying hello, would it not? I can honestly say I, a) hadn't noticed you had taken a break although when thinking about there was a considerable drop in essay like virtue signalling so I should have noticed and b) I haven't missed you. He is a career politican. What else has he done with his life? Not all career politicians follow the same path you insinuate they do. Some are happy to sit on the back benches and accrue Directorships. Some want power. Some just want to be pretentious, joyless, preachy dicks who know they don't have to work a day in their life. You can judge which category Corbyn is in for yourself. Why wouldn't he do that if could get away with it? The government paying him £150,000+ to promote dubious causes, free bike parking space and the platform to spew out crazy bulls*** whenever he feels like it.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 10 Jan 17 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Largely on the basis of the Italian Free states trade and relationship with the middle east, treasures taken by the returning crusaders, the invasion of the moors into (modern Italy) and Spain, along with the sack of Byzantium in the third crusade, supported by the Venetian fleet. The sack of Byzantium in the third crusade? Don't you mean the sack of Pardew in the transition crusade?
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Jan 17 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'd have voted for Stalin, twice if he asked me. Its not like the election would be anything but rigged anyhow - and by rigged I mean everyone voting for the other candidate could collect their own special commemorative ice pick. Don't you think it funny that the left gets bent out of shape when you mention Stalinism and Corbyn, yet is more than happy to label Trump a fascist?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 Jan 17 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
He is a career politican. What else has he done with his life? Not all career politicians follow the same path you insinuate they do. Some are happy to sit on the back benches and accrue Directorships. Some want power. Some just want to be pretentious, joyless, preachy dicks who know they don't have to work a day in their life. You can judge which category Corbyn is in for yourself. Why wouldn't he do that if could get away with it? The government paying him £150,000+ to promote dubious causes, free bike parking space and the platform to spew out crazy bulls*** whenever he feels like it. Oh you flirt That's your opinion and fair enough. I struggle to understand how, regardless of your political convictions, anyone can actively hate Corbyn. His favourite past times are working on his allotment and looking at drain pipes ffs. He just seems like one of those nice old men down the road who sometimes come out of their homes with ketchup on their collar and their flies undone. Maybe after a generation of political savvy Cameron/Blair types, we need someone like Corbyn in charge to calm everything down
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