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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 7.53pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

To be fair, it was his best one liner in his whole tenure.

They will miss him at PQT. He is one of the best in that arena.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 8.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Look Mr Gussett, it is very simple. A large chunk of the parliamentary party know that Corbyn can't become PM. He is clinging on because of his grass roots support but he must put the future of his party above his own ambitions or his rigid adherence to ideology.

I know you believe in him but you are kidding yorself.

I don't think I am kidding myself.


There's nothing wrong with believing that Jeremy Corbyn isn't the right man to lead the Labour Party. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But there is definitely something wrong with not even letting the common narrative that "David Cameron and the Tories are at fault for Brexit" set, before trying to challenge Corbyn's leadership for their own self-serving purposes and establishing a widely repeated counter-narrative of "Blame Labour, blame Corbyn".

By launching their opportunistic self-serving coup now, the Blairites have helped the Tories climb out of a hole of their own digging, and voluntarily shoved the Labour Party down there in their place. These people are venal self-serving fools, who clearly consider their own ideological vendetta against Jeremy Corbyn to be far more important than the best interests of the Labour Party, or doing the job they're supposed to: Opposing the Tories.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 10.02pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I don't think I am kidding myself.


There's nothing wrong with believing that Jeremy Corbyn isn't the right man to lead the Labour Party. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But there is definitely something wrong with not even letting the common narrative that "David Cameron and the Tories are at fault for Brexit" set, before trying to challenge Corbyn's leadership for their own self-serving purposes and establishing a widely repeated counter-narrative of "Blame Labour, blame Corbyn".

By launching their opportunistic self-serving coup now, the Blairites have helped the Tories climb out of a hole of their own digging, and voluntarily shoved the Labour Party down there in their place. These people are venal self-serving fools, who clearly consider their own ideological vendetta against Jeremy Corbyn to be far more important than the best interests of the Labour Party, or doing the job they're supposed to: Opposing the Tories.

And Corbyn will still never be PM. Which part of that don't you get?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 10.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And Corbyn will still never be PM. Which part of that don't you get?

What about the timing of the coup.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 10.12pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

What about the timing of the coup.

Politicians are opportunists and they see a chance to oust Corbyn in the best interests of the party.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 11.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Politicians are opportunists and they see a chance to oust Corbyn in the best interests of the party.

Think they should have waited just a wee while

 

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View OldFella's Profile OldFella Flag London 28 Jun 16 12.31am Send a Private Message to OldFella Add OldFella as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I don't think I am kidding myself.


There's nothing wrong with believing that Jeremy Corbyn isn't the right man to lead the Labour Party. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But there is definitely something wrong with not even letting the common narrative that "David Cameron and the Tories are at fault for Brexit" set, before trying to challenge Corbyn's leadership for their own self-serving purposes and establishing a widely repeated counter-narrative of "Blame Labour, blame Corbyn".

By launching their opportunistic self-serving coup now, the Blairites have helped the Tories climb out of a hole of their own digging, and voluntarily shoved the Labour Party down there in their place. These people are venal self-serving fools, who clearly consider their own ideological vendetta against Jeremy Corbyn to be far more important than the best interests of the Labour Party, or doing the job they're supposed to: Opposing the Tories.

Nick, every time I read your posts I genuinely feel sorry for you. So much bitterness and politics of envy, so many ad hominem comments. And a real failure to grasp that Labour under Corbyn will never make any mark or gain any mandate. SURELY you can see that? Virtually everyone else can.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Jun 16 9.07am

I don't think Corbyn has actually done anything wrong.
But even if he were to win another leadership election the party won't be behind him.
With heavy heart it's time for him to go.
A disgraceful state of affairs.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Jun 16 9.08am

Originally posted by OldFella

Nick, every time I read your posts I genuinely feel sorry for you. So much bitterness and politics of envy, so many ad hominem comments. And a real failure to grasp that Labour under Corbyn will never make any mark or gain any mandate. SURELY you can see that? Virtually everyone else can.

Disagree with your first 2 sentences completely.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jun 16 9.09am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I don't think Corbyn has actually done anything wrong.
But even if he were to win another leadership election the party won't be behind him.
With heavy heart it's time for him to go.
A disgraceful state of affairs.

I was speaking to a party Affiliate/member last night who voted for Corbyn and he said that he and others he knows wouldn't vote for him again.

Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2016 9.10am)

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 28 Jun 16 9.13am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Amusing

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the dignified don't even enter in the game

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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 28 Jun 16 9.17am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I was speaking to a party Affiliate/member last night who voted for Corbyn and he said that he and others he knows wouldn't vote for him again.

Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2016 9.10am)

He'll be in the minority. As it stands if there's a leadership election and Jeremy Corbyn can get enough MPs to vote for him then he will walk it. Again.

And people - probably with some justification - will say that's just clueless people in a London bubble not listening and damaging the credibility and future of the Labour party.

But he has a right to put those views forward and people have a right as members of the Labour party to vote for whatever leader they want.

I think it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Had Jeremy Corbyn not been viciously attacked by the media from the outset there is a chance he could have built up some form of positive relationship with the electorate. The local elections were not particularly poor and the by-elections held so far have actually shown increases in votes/%.

The problem is he doesn't fit the mould for a conventional modern politician. He's not media savvy. And he lacks charisma.

He is also approaching the leadership of the Labour party rather like a member of the SWP (or at least his close advisers and supporters are) with purges and closing down of all dissent.

I do however think it is very amusing that Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters call continually for unity and no backbiting for Labour MPs, when Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters have made their entire careers on dissenting and backbiting and showing no unity to the Labour leadership.

 


"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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