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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Jun 17 9.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Totally agree. The waste is scandalous. So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule. Surely it was all about cutting out waste. You can't trust the tories on the NHS.

steeleye20

Croydon 02 Jun 17 9.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Totally agree. The waste is scandalous.

So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule.

Surely it was all about cutting out waste.

You can't trust the tories on the NHS.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 10.10pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule. Surely it was all about cutting out waste. You can't trust the tories on the NHS. This is about internal NHS management. The Tories (or any government) don't tell them how they spend their money although, looking at this bollocks, they probably should. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 10.10pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule.

Surely it was all about cutting out waste.

You can't trust the tories on the NHS.

This is about internal NHS management. The Tories (or any government) don't tell them how they spend their money although, looking at this bollocks, they probably should.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 10.42pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule. Surely it was all about cutting out waste. You can't trust the tories on the NHS. Get some sleep flower.

Hrolf The Ganger

02 Jun 17 10.42pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule.

Surely it was all about cutting out waste.

You can't trust the tories on the NHS.

Get some sleep flower.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Jun 17 10.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All bets are off. He just Googled it. I don't use words I don't know.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 02 Jun 17 10.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All bets are off. He just Googled it.

I don't use words I don't know.

Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 17 11.51pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Meanwhile, the underfunded, cash-strapped NHS seeks to recruit more essential staff. [Link] I guess you don't know the requirements placed on CCGs to engage with service users then Cucking. The idea is to reach out to communities where people are reluctant to seek professional help until things get serious (and expensive). But don't let logic interfere with your excellent political point.

Mapletree

Croydon 02 Jun 17 11.51pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Meanwhile, the underfunded, cash-strapped NHS seeks to recruit more essential staff.

[Link]

I guess you don't know the requirements placed on CCGs to engage with service users then Cucking. The idea is to reach out to communities where people are reluctant to seek professional help until things get serious (and expensive). But don't let logic interfere with your excellent political point.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 12.12am
Originally posted by Mapletree I guess you don't know the requirements placed on CCGs to engage with service users then Cucking. The idea is to reach out to communities where people are reluctant to seek professional help until things get serious (and expensive). But don't let logic interfere with your excellent political point. Service users? You mean 'patients'? And 'reaching out to communities'? People who are marooned from civilisation, cut off from the rest of the world? Isn't that what District Nurses are meant to do? This role is to pay some dope over £40k a year to maintain a Twitter feed, for God's sake. It is a criminal waste of resources. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 12.12am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Service users? You mean 'patients'?

And 'reaching out to communities'? People who are marooned from civilisation, cut off from the rest of the world? Isn't that what District Nurses are meant to do?

This role is to pay some dope over £40k a year to maintain a Twitter feed, for God's sake. It is a criminal waste of resources.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 17 12.15am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Service users? You mean 'patients'? And 'reaching out to communities'? People who are marooned from civilisation, cut off from the rest of the world? Isn't that what District Nurses are meant to do? This role is to pay some dope over £40k a year to maintain a Twitter feed, for God's sake. It is a criminal waste of resources. I think your choice of words is revealing. The idea is to encourage people to keep well before they become patients. You just make cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale. By the time District Nurses are involved they are indeed patients. Edited by Mapletree (03 Jun 2017 12.17am)

Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jun 17 12.15am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Service users? You mean 'patients'?

And 'reaching out to communities'? People who are marooned from civilisation, cut off from the rest of the world? Isn't that what District Nurses are meant to do?

This role is to pay some dope over £40k a year to maintain a Twitter feed, for God's sake. It is a criminal waste of resources.

I think your choice of words is revealing. The idea is to encourage people to keep well before they become patients. You just make cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale.

By the time District Nurses are involved they are indeed patients.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Jun 2017 12.17am)

Bert the Head Epsom 03 Jun 17 12.21am
Originally posted by Mapletree I think your choice of words is revealing. The idea is to encourage people to keep well before they become patients. You just make cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale. By the time District Nurses are involved they are indeed patients. Edited by Mapletree (03 Jun 2017 12.17am) Suggesting that Willy Sanker makes "cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale" Spot on.

Bert the Head

Epsom 03 Jun 17 12.21am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I think your choice of words is revealing. The idea is to encourage people to keep well before they become patients. You just make cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale.

By the time District Nurses are involved they are indeed patients.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Jun 2017 12.17am)

Suggesting that Willy Sanker makes "cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale"

Spot on.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 12.27am
Originally posted by Mapletree I think your choice of words is revealing. The idea is to encourage people to keep well before they become patients. You just make cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale. So what actually is a "service user" if not a patient (or someone nursing a complaint manageable away from hospital)? And how on earth does some drone managing a Twitter feed encourage people to keep well? Would people stop looking before crossing the road or start playing around on railway lines or be dining on lard sandwiches every day if it wasn't for this apparently essential 'service'? I'm intrigued to know what my choice of words reveals, as I am to know how calling out what is a misuse of resources is a 'cheap shot'. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 12.27am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I think your choice of words is revealing. The idea is to encourage people to keep well before they become patients. You just make cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale.

So what actually is a "service user" if not a patient (or someone nursing a complaint manageable away from hospital)? And how on earth does some drone managing a Twitter feed encourage people to keep well? Would people stop looking before crossing the road or start playing around on railway lines or be dining on lard sandwiches every day if it wasn't for this apparently essential 'service'?

I'm intrigued to know what my choice of words reveals, as I am to know how calling out what is a misuse of resources is a 'cheap shot'.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 12.29am
Originally posted by Bert the Head Suggesting that Willy Sanker makes "cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale" Spot on. A contribution that is nothing but a cheap shot. How unexpected. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 12.29am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

Suggesting that Willy Sanker makes "cheap shots with no real understanding of the rationale"

Spot on.

A contribution that is nothing but a cheap shot. How unexpected.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Bert the Head Epsom 03 Jun 17 12.40am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Tory attack ad misrepresents Corbyn views on IRA, says Labour. Widely shared video uses misleading edit of Corbyn’s interview on Sky News, cut to suggest he did not condemn bombing. Looks like its true and the part where Corbyn condemns all bombing is removed. The idea that Corbyn was an IRA sympathizer is nonsense to anyone who is honest enough to question the Tory press. He was working for peace. On both sides there are bad people - the USA rocket program wouldn't have been the success it was without former Nazi's who were previously very relaxed about the Holocaust. They should have been in prison rather than earning a living in the USA. I find it odd that those that criticize JC on his IRA stance also criticize him for not wanting to enter a suicide pact with humanity and declare a joy at pressing "the button." Its like saying every life the IRA destroyed was valuable but they rest of us are not. I don't feel that was and I don't think he does either. Also when it comes to terrorism people need see what the British state got up to when supporting Pol Pot - after it was known he killed thousands. The death toll in the Irish wars is tiny in comparison - though no less painful if you and yours were caught up in it. Thatcher tried to put Pol Pot back into power and that has got to be one of the darkest moment of our history. Yet the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express and the Telegraph have not a word on it. Enough said. Edited by Bert the Head (03 Jun 2017 12.42am)

Bert the Head

Epsom 03 Jun 17 12.40am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Tory attack ad misrepresents Corbyn views on IRA, says Labour.

Widely shared video uses misleading edit of Corbyn’s interview on Sky News, cut to suggest he did not condemn bombing.

Looks like its true and the part where Corbyn condemns all bombing is removed.

The idea that Corbyn was an IRA sympathizer is nonsense to anyone who is honest enough to question the Tory press. He was working for peace. On both sides there are bad people - the USA rocket program wouldn't have been the success it was without former Nazi's who were previously very relaxed about the Holocaust. They should have been in prison rather than earning a living in the USA.

I find it odd that those that criticize JC on his IRA stance also criticize him for not wanting to enter a suicide pact with humanity and declare a joy at pressing "the button." Its like saying every life the IRA destroyed was valuable but they rest of us are not.

I don't feel that was and I don't think he does either.

Also when it comes to terrorism people need see what the British state got up to when supporting Pol Pot - after it was known he killed thousands. The death toll in the Irish wars is tiny in comparison - though no less painful if you and yours were caught up in it.

Thatcher tried to put Pol Pot back into power and that has got to be one of the darkest moment of our history. Yet the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express and the Telegraph have not a word on it.

Enough said.

Edited by Bert the Head (03 Jun 2017 12.42am)

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jun 17 9.12am
Senior Conservatives have said there are "no plans" to raise income tax if the party wins the general election, in an apparent change of policy. Sir Michael Fallon said high earners had nothing to worry about, while Boris Johnson said there were "absolutely no plans to raise income tax". So there we are a guarantee of tax increases probably severe can the disabled and people 'getting by' afford to pay? The Chancellor whose job is to raise the taxes not available for comment. Election 2017: May refuses to rule out income tax rise after Fallon pledge – politics live. Further to my previous post. Does anybody have any idea of Tory tax policy like them for example??? Edited by steeleye20 (03 Jun 2017 1.34pm)

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Jun 17 9.12am

Senior Conservatives have said there are "no plans" to raise income tax if the party wins the general election, in an apparent change of policy.

Sir Michael Fallon said high earners had nothing to worry about, while Boris Johnson said there were "absolutely no plans to raise income tax".

So there we are a guarantee of tax increases probably severe can the disabled and people 'getting by' afford to pay?

The Chancellor whose job is to raise the taxes not available for comment.

Election 2017: May refuses to rule out income tax rise after Fallon pledge – politics live.

Further to my previous post. Does anybody have any idea of Tory tax policy like them for example???

Edited by steeleye20 (03 Jun 2017 1.34pm)

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jun 17 10.49am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Senior Conservatives have said there are "no plans" to raise income tax if the party wins the general election, in an apparent change of policy. Sir Michael Fallon said high earners had nothing to worry about, while Boris Johnson said there were "absolutely no plans to raise income tax". So there we are a guarantee of tax increases probably severe can the disabled and people 'getting by' afford to pay? The Chancellor whose job is to raise the taxes not available for comment. Are you for real. You contradict yourself in this post as you quote that there are no plans for tax increases due in the first part of your post then ramble on about disabled peoples inability to pay... Have you taken your medicine today? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jun 17 10.49am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Senior Conservatives have said there are "no plans" to raise income tax if the party wins the general election, in an apparent change of policy.

Sir Michael Fallon said high earners had nothing to worry about, while Boris Johnson said there were "absolutely no plans to raise income tax".

So there we are a guarantee of tax increases probably severe can the disabled and people 'getting by' afford to pay?

The Chancellor whose job is to raise the taxes not available for comment.

Are you for real. You contradict yourself in this post as you quote that there are no plans for tax increases due in the first part of your post then ramble on about disabled peoples inability to pay... Have you taken your medicine today?

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jun 17 10.52am
Originally posted by susmik Are you for real. You contradict yourself in this post as you quote that there are no plans for tax increases due in the first part of your post then ramble on about disabled peoples inability to pay... Have you taken your medicine today? Read it again Sus

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Jun 17 10.52am

Originally posted by susmik

Read it again Sus

Stirlingsays 03 Jun 17 10.55am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Read it again Sus If you are going to ask people to actually read your stuff I have a request: stick some commas in. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Jun 17 10.55am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Read it again Sus

If you are going to ask people to actually read your stuff I have a request: stick some commas in.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 11.45am
A LMAO moment. [Tweet Link] Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 11.45am

A LMAO moment.

[Tweet Link]

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Jun 17 12.17pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt A LMAO moment. [Tweet Link] Nice comments with that tweet. Shame I thought you had more class than that. People say 'lefties' have disdain for the working class. In other news, the mask slips. [Tweet Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 03 Jun 17 12.17pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

A LMAO moment.

[Tweet Link]

Nice comments with that tweet. Shame I thought you had more class than that.

People say 'lefties' have disdain for the working class.

In other news, the mask slips.

[Tweet Link]

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 12.21pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Nice comments with that tweet. Shame I thought you had more class than that. People say 'lefties' have disdain for the working class. In other news, the mask slips. [Tweet Link] No, you didn't. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 12.21pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Nice comments with that tweet. Shame I thought you had more class than that.

People say 'lefties' have disdain for the working class.

In other news, the mask slips.

[Tweet Link]

No, you didn't.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Jun 17 12.23pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt No, you didn't. Yes I did. Fact. End of. Innit.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 03 Jun 17 12.23pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

No, you didn't.

Yes I did. Fact. End of. Innit.

Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 17 12.51pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt So what actually is a "service user" if not a patient (or someone nursing a complaint manageable away from hospital)? And how on earth does some drone managing a Twitter feed encourage people to keep well? Would people stop looking before crossing the road or start playing around on railway lines or be dining on lard sandwiches every day if it wasn't for this apparently essential 'service'? I'm intrigued to know what my choice of words reveals, as I am to know how calling out what is a misuse of resources is a 'cheap shot'. Good afternoon, I hope you slept well. First, to put into context whether the NHS is inefficient. The US constitutes more than half of the world's healthcare spend. Cost per head of population in 2015 US$9,451. The UK cost per head is US$4,003. Germany is US$5,267. Next, why do I say Service User. The whole concept behind reducing the rate of illness and cost of looking after sick people is to prevent it starting and then control it escalating. Encouraging people to give up smoking, check for common cancers, keep to a sensible weight and diet and avoid excessive drink or recreational drugs can make a massive difference. Finland has had huge success by convincing its population to eat more forest fruits for example. I see no contradiction in hiring someone to communicate to all of the population, especially the hard to reach, that they should look after themselves and go to the Doctor early when they have some kind of issue. This is also required by regulation. One webmaster per 5 CCGs? Croydon CCG looks after around 400,000 so this person will be trying to communicate to up to 2million people. Using that interweb thingy that the young people seem to like. This kind of communication is trying to get to people BEFORE they become patients. Call them customers or clients if you like, it's all the same to me. As I said before, better not to simply take a negative view on everything before you understand the logic. Edited by Mapletree (03 Jun 2017 12.56pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jun 17 12.51pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I'm intrigued to know what my choice of words reveals, as I am to know how calling out what is a misuse of resources is a 'cheap shot'.

Good afternoon, I hope you slept well.

First, to put into context whether the NHS is inefficient. The US constitutes more than half of the world's healthcare spend. Cost per head of population in 2015 US$9,451. The UK cost per head is US$4,003. Germany is US$5,267.

Next, why do I say Service User. The whole concept behind reducing the rate of illness and cost of looking after sick people is to prevent it starting and then control it escalating. Encouraging people to give up smoking, check for common cancers, keep to a sensible weight and diet and avoid excessive drink or recreational drugs can make a massive difference. Finland has had huge success by convincing its population to eat more forest fruits for example.

I see no contradiction in hiring someone to communicate to all of the population, especially the hard to reach, that they should look after themselves and go to the Doctor early when they have some kind of issue. This is also required by regulation.

One webmaster per 5 CCGs? Croydon CCG looks after around 400,000 so this person will be trying to communicate to up to 2million people. Using that interweb thingy that the young people seem to like. This kind of communication is trying to get to people BEFORE they become patients. Call them customers or clients if you like, it's all the same to me.

As I said before, better not to simply take a negative view on everything before you understand the logic.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Jun 2017 12.56pm)

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