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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 May 17 4.48pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'm more worried about the in laws giving up their house to pay for care to be honest. But yes, like many others, I may miss out on an inheritance. This policy is not going down well. Which is good, as having heard responses across the broadcast media, it's going to make a lot of people not vote Tory. Funny that people on here have complained about inheritance tax, (which affects a tiny proportion of people) but seem happy with what is being labelled by some commentators as a death tax. Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2017 4.44pm) I'd have inheritance tax at close to 100% if I were dictator.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

I'm more worried about the in laws giving up their house to pay for care to be honest. But yes, like many others, I may miss out on an inheritance.

This policy is not going down well. Which is good, as having heard responses across the broadcast media, it's going to make a lot of people not vote Tory.

Funny that people on here have complained about inheritance tax, (which affects a tiny proportion of people) but seem happy with what is being labelled by some commentators as a death tax.

Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2017 4.44pm)

I'd have inheritance tax at close to 100% if I were dictator.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 May 17 5.00pm
Don't worry folks, we can afford to treat everybody, including those who couldn't give a sh1t and have to have that 3rd pie. You just have to hope you have a quality of life after the 14 month wait. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 May 17 5.00pm

Don't worry folks, we can afford to treat everybody, including those who couldn't give a sh1t and have to have that 3rd pie. You just have to hope you have a quality of life after the 14 month wait.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 May 17 5.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'm more worried about the in laws giving up their house to pay for care to be honest. But yes, like many others, I may miss out on an inheritance. This policy is not going down well. Which is good, as having heard responses across the broadcast media, it's going to make a lot of people not vote Tory. Funny that people on here have complained about inheritance tax, (which affects a tiny proportion of people) but seem happy with what is being labelled by some commentators as a death tax. Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2017 4.44pm) Nick, the money is payable after the death. Nobody has to sell their house if an elderly person is still living in it, so you're giving up the cash, apart from on the last £100k. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 May 17 5.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'm more worried about the in laws giving up their house to pay for care to be honest. But yes, like many others, I may miss out on an inheritance.

This policy is not going down well. Which is good, as having heard responses across the broadcast media, it's going to make a lot of people not vote Tory.

Funny that people on here have complained about inheritance tax, (which affects a tiny proportion of people) but seem happy with what is being labelled by some commentators as a death tax.

Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2017 4.44pm)

Nick, the money is payable after the death. Nobody has to sell their house if an elderly person is still living in it, so you're giving up the cash, apart from on the last £100k.

COYP

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Mstrobez 18 May 17 5.04pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Don't worry folks, we can afford to treat everybody, including those who couldn't give a sh1t and have to have that 3rd pie. You just have to hope you have a quality of life after the 14 month wait. But that way of thinking is generalised ignorance. It's like saying let the depressed commit suicide because they won't man up. We're the Arthur over ere!
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18 May 17 5.04pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Don't worry folks, we can afford to treat everybody, including those who couldn't give a sh1t and have to have that 3rd pie. You just have to hope you have a quality of life after the 14 month wait.

But that way of thinking is generalised ignorance. It's like saying let the depressed commit suicide because they won't man up.

We're the Arthur over ere!

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 May 17 5.13pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Nick, the money is payable after the death. Nobody has to sell their house if an elderly person is still living in it, so you're giving up the cash, apart from on the last £100k. Hence the death tax moniker. It's great for Labour. All of those people that bought their house as a nest egg, egged on by right to buy etc, to make Britain a nation of home owners. Homes became investments instead of places to live. Millions are expecting to pass on their property to their kids. 10% of us will get alzheimers apparently. That's a lot of people that are going to be told by a Tory government, You know we encouraged you to pay a lot more for your house than it's worth so our friends in the banking sector can make loads of money, well if you get ill, we are going to take it off of you and give it to a private healthcare company that our mates have an interest in. We'll wait for you to die first of course, we ain't that heartless. we'll also leave you a paltry 100k which is far less than your house but hey ho! How many of those middle income Tory voters are going to be affected by this?
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Shizzlehurst 18 May 17 5.13pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Nick, the money is payable after the death. Nobody has to sell their house if an elderly person is still living in it, so you're giving up the cash, apart from on the last £100k.

Hence the death tax moniker. It's great for Labour. All of those people that bought their house as a nest egg, egged on by right to buy etc, to make Britain a nation of home owners. Homes became investments instead of places to live. Millions are expecting to pass on their property to their kids. 10% of us will get alzheimers apparently. That's a lot of people that are going to be told by a Tory government, You know we encouraged you to pay a lot more for your house than it's worth so our friends in the banking sector can make loads of money, well if you get ill, we are going to take it off of you and give it to a private healthcare company that our mates have an interest in. We'll wait for you to die first of course, we ain't that heartless. we'll also leave you a paltry 100k which is far less than your house but hey ho!
How many of those middle income Tory voters are going to be affected by this?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 May 17 5.19pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez But that way of thinking is generalised ignorance. It's like saying let the depressed commit suicide because they won't man up. I did say if psychological reasons can be proven then they wouldn't lose care (I mean the typical huge costs of treatment due to obesity and lack of care). I know this wouldn't happen but some things are going to have to. What do you propose? Carry on as we are? Something will have to give. Charges for GP visits if earnings in 40% bracket+? COYP
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Caterham 18 May 17 5.19pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

But that way of thinking is generalised ignorance. It's like saying let the depressed commit suicide because they won't man up.

I did say if psychological reasons can be proven then they wouldn't lose care (I mean the typical huge costs of treatment due to obesity and lack of care).

I know this wouldn't happen but some things are going to have to. What do you propose? Carry on as we are? Something will have to give. Charges for GP visits if earnings in 40% bracket+?

COYP

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Mstrobez 18 May 17 5.24pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I did say if psychological reasons can be proven then they wouldn't lose care (I mean the typical huge costs of treatment due to obesity and lack of care). I know this wouldn't happen but some things are going to have to. What do you propose? Carry on as we are? Something will have to give. Charges for GP visits if earnings in 40% bracket+? Ok so it's like telling the mildly depressed to man up because it's a lot more likely they're just taking the piss, but if it can be proven the depression is manic then yeah ok we will help you. God forbid increasing tax slightly. f*** the fatties, I worked hard to put the food on my table! Edited by Mstrobez (18 May 2017 5.24pm) We're the Arthur over ere!
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18 May 17 5.24pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I did say if psychological reasons can be proven then they wouldn't lose care (I mean the typical huge costs of treatment due to obesity and lack of care).

I know this wouldn't happen but some things are going to have to. What do you propose? Carry on as we are? Something will have to give. Charges for GP visits if earnings in 40% bracket+?

Ok so it's like telling the mildly depressed to man up because it's a lot more likely they're just taking the piss, but if it can be proven the depression is manic then yeah ok we will help you.

God forbid increasing tax slightly. f*** the fatties, I worked hard to put the food on my table!

Edited by Mstrobez (18 May 2017 5.24pm)

We're the Arthur over ere!

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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 May 17 5.28pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I'd have inheritance tax at close to 100% if I were dictator. Are you an orphan? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 18 May 17 5.28pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'd have inheritance tax at close to 100% if I were dictator.

Are you an orphan?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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becky over the moon 18 May 17 5.32pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I'm more worried about the in laws giving up their house to pay for care to be honest. But yes, like many others, I may miss out on an inheritance. This policy is not going down well. Which is good, as having heard responses across the broadcast media, it's going to make a lot of people not vote Tory. Funny that people on here have complained about inheritance tax, (which affects a tiny proportion of people) but seem happy with what is being labelled by some commentators as a death tax. Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2017 4.44pm) Of course, there is always the time-honoured way to avoid losing your inheritance from your aged parents - look after them in their old age yourselves instead of expecting the state to organize their care. .....and no, I don't think this is something that the NHS should be paying for, as old age is not an 'illness' just something, like the rest of life, that some people cope better with than others. (However, I am aware that Alzheimer's does need professional care in it's latter stages, so not including this in my above comment) A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 18 May 17 5.32pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'm more worried about the in laws giving up their house to pay for care to be honest. But yes, like many others, I may miss out on an inheritance.

This policy is not going down well. Which is good, as having heard responses across the broadcast media, it's going to make a lot of people not vote Tory.

Funny that people on here have complained about inheritance tax, (which affects a tiny proportion of people) but seem happy with what is being labelled by some commentators as a death tax.

Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2017 4.44pm)

Of course, there is always the time-honoured way to avoid losing your inheritance from your aged parents - look after them in their old age yourselves instead of expecting the state to organize their care.

.....and no, I don't think this is something that the NHS should be paying for, as old age is not an 'illness' just something, like the rest of life, that some people cope better with than others. (However, I am aware that Alzheimer's does need professional care in it's latter stages, so not including this in my above comment)

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 May 17 5.43pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Are you an orphan? If he were a dictator it wouldn't matter, flying in pizzas from Naples, fresh Thai meals from Bangkok. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 May 17 5.43pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Are you an orphan?

If he were a dictator it wouldn't matter, flying in pizzas from Naples, fresh Thai meals from Bangkok.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 May 17 5.45pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Ok so it's like telling the mildly depressed to man up because it's a lot more likely they're just taking the piss, but if it can be proven the depression is manic then yeah ok we will help you. God forbid increasing tax slightly. f* the fatties, I worked hard to put the food on my table! Edited by Mstrobez (18 May 2017 5.24pm) Depression isn't the biggest cost to the NHS with 1/2 days of care costing thousands and thousands, then again and again..... COYP**
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 May 17 5.45pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Ok so it's like telling the mildly depressed to man up because it's a lot more likely they're just taking the piss, but if it can be proven the depression is manic then yeah ok we will help you.

God forbid increasing tax slightly. f*** the fatties, I worked hard to put the food on my table!

Edited by Mstrobez (18 May 2017 5.24pm)

Depression isn't the biggest cost to the NHS with 1/2 days of care costing thousands and thousands, then again and again.....

COYP

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Mstrobez 18 May 17 5.56pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Depression isn't the biggest cost to the NHS with 1/2 days of care costing thousands and thousands, then again and again..... Maybe not but the mental health services are embarrassingly underfunded. What happens if and when the fatties develop psychological problems through the refusal of treatment? Do they then get a retrial? My point is your simplifying very complex issues and undermining the actual purpose of the NHS. We're the Arthur over ere!
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18 May 17 5.56pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Depression isn't the biggest cost to the NHS with 1/2 days of care costing thousands and thousands, then again and again.....

Maybe not but the mental health services are embarrassingly underfunded.

What happens if and when the fatties develop psychological problems through the refusal of treatment? Do they then get a retrial? My point is your simplifying very complex issues and undermining the actual purpose of the NHS.

We're the Arthur over ere!

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