Gaza Strip 'invades' Israel.
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 Hrolf The Ganger  12 Apr 24 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Using northern Ireland as a make-shift comparison. Did the UK bomb the 5hlt out of Catholic areas as they supported terrorists ? The IRA wanted independence and a united Ireland. Hamas want to kill all Jews. Is that a fair comparison?
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Apr 24 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The IRA wanted independence and a united Ireland. Hamas want to kill all Jews. Is that a fair comparison? There was a large element of wanting to kill all the prods too. But it wasn't a mainstream idea, more for the fanatics. And vice-versa of course. However, I don't believe it's comparable, mainly as both sides did bad things but there was always some element of restraint, by and large. From a European viewpoint, the Arab-Israeli conflict looks like one that will never end - until one side is wiped out. In Ireland there were often compromises from both sides. Probably an interesting part of this that isisunderstood in the UK, is the lack of interest in the Republic - apart from the Sinn Fein hard core of yesteryear. There's little stomach for terrorism or a United Ireland here.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Apr 24 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
There was a large element of wanting to kill all the prods too. But it wasn't a mainstream idea, more for the fanatics. And vice-versa of course. However, I don't believe it's comparable, mainly as both sides did bad things but there was always some element of restraint, by and large. From a European viewpoint, the Arab-Israeli conflict looks like one that will never end - until one side is wiped out. In Ireland there were often compromises from both sides. Probably an interesting part of this that isisunderstood in the UK, is the lack of interest in the Republic - apart from the Sinn Fein hard core of yesteryear. There's little stomach for terrorism or a United Ireland here. I bow to your greater knowledge.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 12 Apr 24 12.50pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
There was a large element of wanting to kill all the prods too. But it wasn't a mainstream idea, more for the fanatics. And vice-versa of course. However, I don't believe it's comparable, mainly as both sides did bad things but there was always some element of restraint, by and large. From a European viewpoint, the Arab-Israeli conflict looks like one that will never end - until one side is wiped out. In Ireland there were often compromises from both sides. Probably an interesting part of this that isisunderstood in the UK, is the lack of interest in the Republic - apart from the Sinn Fein hard core of yesteryear. There's little stomach for terrorism or a United Ireland here. There’s a big financial cost to the Irish Republic should a united Ireland become reality; social services in particular. In addition, currently Ireland relies on the UK for various security measures; naval, air etc. Again, presumably a future cost to replace these aspects or a ‘fee’ to the UK for their continuation.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Apr 24 1.08pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
There’s a big financial cost to the Irish Republic should a united Ireland become reality; social services in particular. In addition, currently Ireland relies on the UK for various security measures; naval, air etc. Again, presumably a future cost to replace these aspects or a ‘fee’ to the UK for their continuation. Indeed, but when you deal with the Irish, you'll come out scratching your head as to why you have to pay.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Apr 24 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They obviously weren't capable, unless you are suggesting that they let it happen on purpose? The Palestinian people are caught in the middle of this, but an end to the violence cannot be one sided. No, I’m not - it’s fairly widely accepted, including amongst Israelis, that there were intelligence and security failings that allowed October 7th to happen. It was by far the deadliest Hamas attack since 1948. So yes, I’m very confident in my assertion that Israel is able to enforce its border. When the victims of the violence have been entirely one-sided for 6 months, how can an end to said violence not be one-sided..?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Apr 24 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
No, I’m not - it’s fairly widely accepted, including amongst Israelis, that there were intelligence and security failings that allowed October 7th to happen. It was by far the deadliest Hamas attack since 1948. So yes, I’m very confident in my assertion that Israel is able to enforce its border. When the victims of the violence have been entirely one-sided for 6 months, how can an end to said violence not be one-sided..? This situation cannot be reduced to such simple questions. Hamas attacked Israel in the most cowardly way imaginable, and now they and the Palestinian people are paying the price. I despair at the human race, but some members of it are just locked into irrational hatred.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Apr 24 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This situation cannot be reduced to such simple questions. Hamas attacked Israel in the most cowardly way imaginable, and now they and the Palestinian people are paying the price. I despair at the human race, but some members of it are just locked into irrational hatred. There is nothing wrong with the question, you just don’t want to accept the answer.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Apr 24 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
There is nothing wrong with the question, you just don’t want to accept the answer. What answer is that? One that involves vilifying one side? This problem is cyclical, and it looks like one side is determined to end that cycle.
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| georgenorman 12 Apr 24 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The IRA wanted independence and a united Ireland. Hamas want to kill all Jews. Is that a fair comparison? Yeah, the IRA in comparison were 'gentlemen terrorists' they even phoned you up to tell you that they were about to blow you up.
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cryrst  The garden of England 12 Apr 24 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They obviously weren't capable, unless you are suggesting that they let it happen on purpose? The Palestinian people are caught in the middle of this, but an end to the violence cannot be one sided. Certain parts were defended but when Israel has a 25 mile border they don’t have the military to defend it all.
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 HKOwen  Hong Kong 12 Apr 24 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
No, I’m not - it’s fairly widely accepted, including amongst Israelis, that there were intelligence and security failings that allowed October 7th to happen. It was by far the deadliest Hamas attack since 1948. So yes, I’m very confident in my assertion that Israel is able to enforce its border. When the victims of the violence have been entirely one-sided for 6 months, how can an end to said violence not be one-sided..? Hamas did not exist until 1967 so attacks prior to that would have been tricky
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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