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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jun 19 8.57pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Are you talking about the 2016 vote? If so I agree 100%. What you mean is, that faced with a simple binary choice, the British public voted to Leave and you don't like it.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Are you talking about the 2016 vote?

If so I agree 100%.

What you mean is, that faced with a simple binary choice, the British public voted to Leave and you don't like it.

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Spiderman Horsham 04 Jun 19 9.17pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Laughable when you consider the regularly feeble performances of Corbyn,the Labour shadow cabinet and Remainers generally. You must be watching TV from an alternative universe. Should have seen Emily Thornberry taken apart by Piers Morgan, floundering doesn't do it justice and she is Shadow Foreign Secretary!! Basically she stated Trump shouldn't have been afforded a State Visit (although it was for D-Day) because he is a racist, sex predator but could not explain how Bush was allowed one 6 months after engaging in an illegal war. I don't Piers Morgan but it was very entertaining
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Laughable when you consider the regularly feeble performances of Corbyn,the Labour shadow cabinet and Remainers generally.

You must be watching TV from an alternative universe.

Should have seen Emily Thornberry taken apart by Piers Morgan, floundering doesn't do it justice and she is Shadow Foreign Secretary!!
Basically she stated Trump shouldn't have been afforded a State Visit (although it was for D-Day) because he is a racist, sex predator but could not explain how Bush was allowed one 6 months after engaging in an illegal war. I don't Piers Morgan but it was very entertaining

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Maine Eagle USA 04 Jun 19 9.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What you mean is, that faced with a simple binary choice, the British public voted to Leave and you don't like it. I dont like it. But that matters not. Like it or dont like it, the 2016 vote is a vote to nowhere. There must be a new vote, to lead to somewhere. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 04 Jun 19 9.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What you mean is, that faced with a simple binary choice, the British public voted to Leave and you don't like it.

I dont like it.

But that matters not.

Like it or dont like it, the 2016 vote is a vote to nowhere.

There must be a new vote, to lead to somewhere.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jun 19 11.32pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle And you sir, are too thick to understand the following: Parliament will not sanction a no deal exit on their own No one wants another extension, not least the EU Therefore there is only one way out of this, another vote. If you really want to crash out of the EU overnight, it would have to be voted on because parliament are not going to do that. Well said! Far too many here, and among the hard Brexiteers generally, don't seem to acknowledge that who-ever becomes PM will face the same Parliament and the same problem. This Parliament will not permit a no deal Brexit. Whether they are "too thick" or just unwilling to acknowledge a truth they don't like is an open question. I think myself that there is another possible scenario in which the government loses a vote of no confidence and during the period when another is attempted to be formed that Parliament votes to repeal Article 50. After 14 days, and no new government, a GE must be called. Then things would get really interesting, with a new vote, with a variety of options on the ballot paper, being in the manifestos of enough parties to bring a coalition together. Farage would split the Tories and Labour might dump Corbyn if he goes on being reluctant. Too far ahead though for too much speculation really. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

And you sir, are too thick to understand the following:

Parliament will not sanction a no deal exit on their own
No one wants another extension, not least the EU

Therefore there is only one way out of this, another vote. If you really want to crash out of the EU overnight, it would have to be voted on because parliament are not going to do that.

Well said!

Far too many here, and among the hard Brexiteers generally, don't seem to acknowledge that who-ever becomes PM will face the same Parliament and the same problem. This Parliament will not permit a no deal Brexit. Whether they are "too thick" or just unwilling to acknowledge a truth they don't like is an open question.

I think myself that there is another possible scenario in which the government loses a vote of no confidence and during the period when another is attempted to be formed that Parliament votes to repeal Article 50. After 14 days, and no new government, a GE must be called. Then things would get really interesting, with a new vote, with a variety of options on the ballot paper, being in the manifestos of enough parties to bring a coalition together. Farage would split the Tories and Labour might dump Corbyn if he goes on being reluctant. Too far ahead though for too much speculation really.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Maine Eagle USA 05 Jun 19 3.05am
Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE [Tweet Link] When you only ever post twitter stories which are utterly partisan and one sided, they lose all meaning. Kind of like Adam Schiff. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

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When you only ever post twitter stories which are utterly partisan and one sided, they lose all meaning.

Kind of like Adam Schiff.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Maine Eagle USA 05 Jun 19 3.11am
ho hum, another day goes by, another day closer to the revocation of article 50. Here is the idiot's guide, step by step. Revocation for dummies one might say. 1 - Bercow will not allow a new PM to unilaterally trigger a no deal exit. 2 - Parliament will not sanction no deal on their own. 3 - The EU will not fancy yet another extension, and neither will the new PM. 4 - With about 1 month to go, the new PM will realize they cannot force through no deal. 5 - The new PM will call for the only option left, a new vote. 6 - All parties will agree to an extension, given the assurance of a new vote. 7 - The electoral college will insist on a remain option, if no deal goes on there. 8 - There is no way on God's green earth that more people want a no deal crash out of the EU, than want to remain now. 9 - Brexit will get cancelled. 10 - There will be some level of social disorder for a few weeks, then it will go back to chats in pubs and coffee shops, and the brexiteers will bide their time until a new leader or two comes along who can once again trick the masses into thinking leaving the EU will benefit them. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 05 Jun 19 3.11am

ho hum, another day goes by, another day closer to the revocation of article 50.

Here is the idiot's guide, step by step. Revocation for dummies one might say.

1 - Bercow will not allow a new PM to unilaterally trigger a no deal exit.

2 - Parliament will not sanction no deal on their own.

3 - The EU will not fancy yet another extension, and neither will the new PM.

4 - With about 1 month to go, the new PM will realize they cannot force through no deal.

5 - The new PM will call for the only option left, a new vote.

6 - All parties will agree to an extension, given the assurance of a new vote.

7 - The electoral college will insist on a remain option, if no deal goes on there.

8 - There is no way on God's green earth that more people want a no deal crash out of the EU, than want to remain now.

9 - Brexit will get cancelled.

10 - There will be some level of social disorder for a few weeks, then it will go back to chats in pubs and coffee shops, and the brexiteers will bide their time until a new leader or two comes along who can once again trick the masses into thinking leaving the EU will benefit them.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Stirlingsays 05 Jun 19 3.40am
Let there be no mistake. If there is no form of Brexit. If the UK doesn't leave the EU in some form. Then the consequences will be much more damaging than 'social disorder'. There would be a separation of trust and a dangerous resentment and dissidence that will ferment within a significant body of the political public. It's already there on the edges. You would actually be creating and cementing that nationalism into the mainstream that you are appartently so against. Perhaps, I should change tact and start supporting 'remain' as a sort of accelerationist policy. If I were 25 years younger I probably would but to be honest just as politics is getting really interesting my mind is starting to turn away from it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Jun 19 3.40am

Let there be no mistake.

If there is no form of Brexit. If the UK doesn't leave the EU in some form. Then the consequences will be much more damaging than 'social disorder'.

There would be a separation of trust and a dangerous resentment and dissidence that will ferment within a significant body of the political public. It's already there on the edges.

You would actually be creating and cementing that nationalism into the mainstream that you are appartently so against.

Perhaps, I should change tact and start supporting 'remain' as a sort of accelerationist policy.

If I were 25 years younger I probably would but to be honest just as politics is getting really interesting my mind is starting to turn away from it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 05 Jun 19 7.03am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle ho hum, another day goes by, another day closer to the revocation of article 50. Here is the idiot's guide, step by step. Revocation for dummies one might say. 1 - Bercow will not allow a new PM to unilaterally trigger a no deal exit. There will be uproar if Bercow tries to act as if he was the leader of the Government and at the very least he will risk remaining Mr Bercow for the rest of his life rather than the expected Lord Bercow
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

ho hum, another day goes by, another day closer to the revocation of article 50.

Here is the idiot's guide, step by step. Revocation for dummies one might say.

1 - Bercow will not allow a new PM to unilaterally trigger a no deal exit.

There will be uproar if Bercow tries to act as if he was the leader of the Government and at the very least he will risk remaining Mr Bercow for the rest of his life rather than the expected Lord Bercow

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Jun 19 8.08am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle ho hum, another day goes by, another day closer to the revocation of article 50. Here is the idiot's guide, step by step. Revocation for dummies one might say. 1 - Bercow will not allow a new PM to unilaterally trigger a no deal exit. Agreed it has to be a vote in Parliament my concern is that Bercow will try and skew the form of vote. 2 - Parliament will not sanction no deal on their own. Not so sure about this. The DUP have indicated they would vote for a no deal as long as they are treated the same as the rest of the UK. May's deal didn't do that. In addition many Tory MPs who don't support a no deal will have to face the reality of de-selection by their own party or by the voters. Survival instincts may take over. 3 - The EU will not fancy yet another extension, and neither will the new PM. Agreed. Unless there is a deal on that table that everybody is happy with and they have just run out of time I don't see an extension. 4 - With about 1 month to go, the new PM will realize they cannot force through no deal. See point 2 you maybe right but too soon to tell. 5 - The new PM will call for the only option left, a new vote. If it's stalemate in the commons and Boris is PM I think we could get a GE. I think once he is PM the Tory vote will recover. 6 - All parties will agree to an extension, given the assurance of a new vote. Maybe but what's the question, that will decide who supports it. 7 - The electoral college will insist on a remain option, if no deal goes on there. You mean Electoral Commission and yes I agree if it's another referendum it's back to my answer to point 6. I don't see a fair question that will satisfy all parties and the Electoral Commission and the courts because they're will be legal challenges. 8 - There is no way on God's green earth that more people want a no deal crash out of the EU, than want to remain now. That's a guess, your probably right but if it's the only option on the table because the EU refuses to negotiate I think it will happen. Note Labour's policy is based on doing a deal with the EU that is better than May's. If the EU stands firm and say no new deal then I think uncommitted people will switch to Leave because the EU forces them to. 9 - Brexit will get cancelled. At this stage I would say a no deal Brexit is more likely. 10 - There will be some level of social disorder for a few weeks, then it will go back to chats in pubs and coffee shops, and the brexiteers will bide their time until a new leader or two comes along who can once again trick the masses into thinking leaving the EU will benefit them. I hope not, no sensible person wants to see disorder remember our politics is based on the losers accepting they have lost. Once that goes people resort to violence. One more point
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

ho hum, another day goes by, another day closer to the revocation of article 50.

Here is the idiot's guide, step by step. Revocation for dummies one might say.

1 - Bercow will not allow a new PM to unilaterally trigger a no deal exit.
Agreed it has to be a vote in Parliament my concern is that Bercow will try and skew the form of vote.

2 - Parliament will not sanction no deal on their own.
Not so sure about this. The DUP have indicated they would vote for a no deal as long as they are treated the same as the rest of the UK. May's deal didn't do that. In addition many Tory MPs who don't support a no deal will have to face the reality of de-selection by their own party or by the voters. Survival instincts may take over.

3 - The EU will not fancy yet another extension, and neither will the new PM.
Agreed. Unless there is a deal on that table that everybody is happy with and they have just run out of time I don't see an extension.

4 - With about 1 month to go, the new PM will realize they cannot force through no deal.
See point 2 you maybe right but too soon to tell.

5 - The new PM will call for the only option left, a new vote.
If it's stalemate in the commons and Boris is PM I think we could get a GE. I think once he is PM the Tory vote will recover.

6 - All parties will agree to an extension, given the assurance of a new vote.
Maybe but what's the question, that will decide who supports it.

7 - The electoral college will insist on a remain option, if no deal goes on there.
You mean Electoral Commission and yes I agree if it's another referendum it's back to my answer to point 6. I don't see a fair question that will satisfy all parties and the Electoral Commission and the courts because they're will be legal challenges.

8 - There is no way on God's green earth that more people want a no deal crash out of the EU, than want to remain now.
That's a guess, your probably right but if it's the only option on the table because the EU refuses to negotiate I think it will happen. Note Labour's policy is based on doing a deal with the EU that is better than May's. If the EU stands firm and say no new deal then I think uncommitted people will switch to Leave because the EU forces them to.

9 - Brexit will get cancelled.
At this stage I would say a no deal Brexit is more likely.

10 - There will be some level of social disorder for a few weeks, then it will go back to chats in pubs and coffee shops, and the brexiteers will bide their time until a new leader or two comes along who can once again trick the masses into thinking leaving the EU will benefit them.

I hope not, no sensible person wants to see disorder remember our politics is based on the losers accepting they have lost. Once that goes people resort to violence.

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