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 steeleye20  Croydon 26 Aug 20 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think the only time I watch the BBC is MOTD and if I had to I would pay for that program. My opposition to the licence fee is a perfectly valid position shared by a growing number of people. At the moment the percentage of non payers is going up 1% pa at last count is was 7% at some point like the poll tax you hit the tipping point when people who are not as concerned as you and me think hang on why should I pay if my neighbours don't. By the way the licence fee is a regressive tax that hurts the poor. I made the point about ITV it also applies to the other mainstream channels I find they are all pretty awful it's not just the BBC however I don't have to pay not to watch them. Yes it could come out of general taxation but much simpler to free the BBC from it public service obligations and allow it to become whatever it wants to. Sorry I spoke.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 26 Aug 20 6.04pm |
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| CrazyBadger Ware 27 Aug 20 11.20am |
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Originally posted by JRW2
So also said Lord Grade (former BBC Chairman) this morning, adding that the BBC's journalists were out of touch and its decision on the Proms was idiotic. I have little doubt that the songs will be reinstated next year, but I have considerable doubt at to whether they would have been reinstated in the absence of the recent uproar. Again, someone's opinion who most likely wasn't involved with the details of that decision. He may have been the head of the Beeb some 15 years ago, doesn't mean he knows whats going on now. I haven't seen any evidence that this decision was based on the recent blm/Slave issues, someone has put 2 and 2 together and gotten 5. They've said it out load and it's been run with.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 27 Aug 20 11.37am |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
Again, someone's opinion who most likely wasn't involved with the details of that decision. He may have been the head of the Beeb some 15 years ago, doesn't mean he knows whats going on now. I haven't seen any evidence that this decision was based on the recent blm/Slave issues, someone has put 2 and 2 together and gotten 5. They've said it out load and it's been run with. Apart from the interview which established that it had been discussed in relation to BLM etc but he refused to say the reason for pulling the singing was that, falling back on a convenient script that it wouldn't be the same without the audience. Well, the whole Proms is not going to be the same without the audience but they haven't cancelled it. Jerusalem and the national anthem are both to be sung. Now if there was no singing throughout the Proms then I would accept their decision, however seeing as there are soloists and the BBC chorus there I don't think that will be the case. This is clearly a case of 2+2 equalling 4.
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Teddy Eagle  27 Aug 20 11.44am |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
Again, someone's opinion who most likely wasn't involved with the details of that decision. He may have been the head of the Beeb some 15 years ago, doesn't mean he knows whats going on now. I haven't seen any evidence that this decision was based on the recent blm/Slave issues, someone has put 2 and 2 together and gotten 5. They've said it out load and it's been run with. Really? "If dropping racist propaganda from taxpayer-funded TV is controversial, then there is no hope for the serious work that needs to be done to address racism’’ - Black Studies Professor
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| CrazyBadger Ware 27 Aug 20 11.50am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Apart from the interview which established that it had been discussed in relation to BLM etc but he refused to say the reason for pulling the singing was that, falling back on a convenient script that it wouldn't be the same without the audience. Well, the whole Proms is not going to be the same without the audience but they haven't cancelled it. Jerusalem and the national anthem are both to be sung. Now if there was no singing throughout the Proms then I would accept their decision, however seeing as there are soloists and the BBC chorus there I don't think that will be the case. This is clearly a case of 2+2 equalling 4. I'm not aware of this interview. Who was it with? I understand that other songs are sung, and it is strange that they have chosen to sing some and not others. But people are leaping to accuse them of something, and others are taking those accusations as fact.
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| CrazyBadger Ware 27 Aug 20 11.57am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Really? "If dropping racist propaganda from taxpayer-funded TV is controversial, then there is no hope for the serious work that needs to be done to address racism’’ - Black Studies Professor
If they hadn't made this decision to drop the Songs (which they have explained their reasons for - and are not race related) then they would have sung the songs at the proms, and there would be no uproar*. *whether this is correct or not is a whole different argument.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Aug 20 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Really? "If dropping racist propaganda from taxpayer-funded TV is controversial, then there is no hope for the serious work that needs to be done to address racism’’ - Black Studies Professor Proud British songs are ‘racist propaganda’? Kehinde Andrews intentions are very clear. Stir it up and/or try to remove any British identity he can manage to get away with. You take any notice of that racist and divisive Kehinde Andrews idiot making money lecturing and indoctrinating impressionable youngsters with £9,000 student fees wasted on a nothing degree? I’ve seen him on BBC1’s The Big Questions too many times and he’s actually spitting across the floor in debates. He’s an appalling person who’s unfortunately been psychologically scarred by his experiences of the NF etc in the 1980’s. He’s so appalling I doubt he experienced anything bad himself and he’s lying after finding a niche of being Birmingham and England’s top race obsessed f***wit. I’ve seen him on GMTV clips this week as I don’t watch the s*** outrage stirring programme having to be corrected and reigned in on his Britain hating rants. The best one was him deploring WWII bomber command because of the German civilian casualties. He had to be reminded if it wasn’t for lots of WWII he wouldn’t be here or even alive. t***s like this given a platform is very irresponsible and just stoking fires, which is exactly what this bitter and hate filled man has polluting his brain. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Aug 2020 12.46pm) Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Aug 2020 12.47pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Aug 20 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
If they hadn't made this decision to drop the Songs (which they have explained their reasons for - and are not race related) then they would have sung the songs at the proms, and there would be no uproar*. *whether this is correct or not is a whole different argument. Kehinde Andrews is obsessed with race tension and depends on it. Without it he’s irrelevant. He’s irrelevant anyway but s*** tv producers invite him on or know his hatred will get viewers and it doesn’t need that many impressionable or direction seeking youngsters to enroll on a Black Studies course for £9,000 a year to make it worthwhile.
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| CrazyBadger Ware 27 Aug 20 1.17pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Kehinde Andrews is obsessed with race tension and depends on it. Without it he’s irrelevant. He’s irrelevant anyway but s*** tv producers invite him on or know his hatred will get viewers and it doesn’t need that many impressionable or direction seeking youngsters to enroll on a Black Studies course for £9,000 a year to make it worthwhile. sounds Like he's one of the people I was talking about earlier... eager to jump on anything that that may outrage.
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| Teddy Eagle 27 Aug 20 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
sounds Like he's one of the people I was talking about earlier... eager to jump on anything that that may outrage. Check his Twitter feed.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Aug 20 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Check his Twitter feed. He’s a complete bellend and I question people who sit up and take notice of him seriously. I wish I had links to him spitting bitter hatred on The Big Questions on so many Sunday mornings. Constantly looking for ways to dismantle England and Britain.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 27 Aug 20 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
He’s a complete bellend and I question people who sit up and take notice of him seriously. I wish I had links to him spitting bitter hatred on The Big Questions on so many Sunday mornings. Constantly looking for ways to dismantle England and Britain. Well he certainly shouldn't be doing that, what does he think the conservative party is for.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 27 Aug 20 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
I'm not aware of this interview. Who was it with? I understand that other songs are sung, and it is strange that they have chosen to sing some and not others. But people are leaping to accuse them of something, and others are taking those accusations as fact. It was with the guy who runs it and it was on the tv news, cant remember which but presume the BBC. I understand where you are coming from however I, along with many others it seems can read nothing into it other than what we have stated, based on the fact that they are abandoning certain songs only.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 27 Aug 20 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Proud British songs are ‘racist propaganda’? Kehinde Andrews intentions are very clear. Stir it up and/or try to remove any British identity he can manage to get away with. You take any notice of that racist and divisive Kehinde Andrews idiot making money lecturing and indoctrinating impressionable youngsters with £9,000 student fees wasted on a nothing degree? I’ve seen him on BBC1’s The Big Questions too many times and he’s actually spitting across the floor in debates. He’s an appalling person who’s unfortunately been psychologically scarred by his experiences of the NF etc in the 1980’s. He’s so appalling I doubt he experienced anything bad himself and he’s lying after finding a niche of being Birmingham and England’s top race obsessed f***wit. I’ve seen him on GMTV clips this week as I don’t watch the s*** outrage stirring programme having to be corrected and reigned in on his Britain hating rants. The best one was him deploring WWII bomber command because of the German civilian casualties. He had to be reminded if it wasn’t for lots of WWII he wouldn’t be here or even alive. t***s like this given a platform is very irresponsible and just stoking fires, which is exactly what this bitter and hate filled man has polluting his brain. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Aug 2020 12.46pm) Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Aug 2020 12.47pm) Do you not like him then Rudi? Never seen so many ***** in your posts before! Sounds like an odious toad to me from what you say although I have to say I haven't seen him on tv. I do tend to switch off though if someone like that is on.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 20 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Do you not like him then Rudi? Never seen so many ***** in your posts before! Sounds like an odious toad to me from what you say although I have to say I haven't seen him on tv. I do tend to switch off though if someone like that is on. They genuinely make me angry and I shout at the TV. Hence I avoid. Shame they weren't the tail Gunner of a Lancaster over the Ruhr in 43. How hard done by, by racist Britain. Professor on full Professor's pay with several stipends for such 'ground breaking' research. Of course, when you go around searching for racism and come from the angle that everyone's racist, I guess you find it. Not as if professor's are actually supposed to be objective and carry out factual research. Just make sh1t up that people want to hear. Not just him really, all academia.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Aug 20 8.07pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Do you not like him then Rudi? Never seen so many ***** in your posts before! Sounds like an odious toad to me from what you say although I have to say I haven't seen him on tv. I do tend to switch off though if someone like that is on. On BBC1’s ‘The Big Questions’ on Sunday’s he’d call ‘Britain racist, systemically racist’ or say ‘systemic racism’ with so much venom and spit spluttering from his bitter mouth so many times I’d lose count. He’s a truly unbearable pr1ck and I agree that if you’re obsessed there’s racism absolutely everywhere then it will be everywhere. He has an attitude problem but with a higher than average IQ or desire to read up on black history so much he can’t think clearly any more. He’s probably experienced and been damaged by racist incidents in the 1980’s and can’t look forward so he’s stuck in his bitter rut. He should trial a year of not despising everything white and British and see how less stressful and consumed he is by his destructive life path. Complete t*** he is. I bet loads of black people would tell him to p1ss off as well. Do your bloody head in.
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| Spiderman Horsham 28 Aug 20 7.52am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
On BBC1’s ‘The Big Questions’ on Sunday’s he’d call ‘Britain racist, systemically racist’ or say ‘systemic racism’ with so much venom and spit spluttering from his bitter mouth so many times I’d lose count. He’s a truly unbearable pr1ck and I agree that if you’re obsessed there’s racism absolutely everywhere then it will be everywhere. He has an attitude problem but with a higher than average IQ or desire to read up on black history so much he can’t think clearly any more. He’s probably experienced and been damaged by racist incidents in the 1980’s and can’t look forward so he’s stuck in his bitter rut. He should trial a year of not despising everything white and British and see how less stressful and consumed he is by his destructive life path. Complete t*** he is. I bet loads of black people would tell him to p1ss off as well. Do your bloody head in. Perhaps he should be advised to move on from the 80s, expunge it from his history, just like we are meant to expunge our history. I have witnessed him on tv, he is a racist who is stirring up racial tension.
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