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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 10 Oct 21 10.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This thread smacks of the usual Lefty jealousy.

An oh so predictable Righty comment , so predictable, oh well.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Oct 21 11.20pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I know what I wrote. Do you understand what they mean? Referring to levelling up doesn’t mean they have any idea of what is needed to actually achieve it.

Not only that but you go on about the tories when before you’ve claimed that you are one, when it’s very evident you aren’t. But that’s if no surprise to anybody.

 


COYP

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 21 10.13am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Not only that but you go on about the tories when before you’ve claimed that you are one, when it’s very evident you aren’t. But that’s if no surprise to anybody.

Johnson and the bunch he has assembled around him are far removed from those I held in high regard in my younger days. Even Thatcher would be ashamed of them, so what would the likes of Macmillan and Hessetine think? They are the types I regard as real one nation Tories.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Oct 21 10.59am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Johnson and the bunch he has assembled around him are far removed from those I held in high regard in my younger days. Even Thatcher would be ashamed of them, so what would the likes of Macmillan and Hessetine think? They are the types I regard as real one nation Tories.

Ashamed of the cronyism and corruption, or lurching into socialism, or any policies the real PM - Carrie whatever her name is today.

(I think I know the 6 letter word you’re going to mention)

 


COYP

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Oct 21 11.18am

Government 'lurching from crisis to crisis' and 'not in control', claims Lord Heseltine.

Britain will experience a series of crises "fast and thick" as the country faces a "very nasty situation" in the coming months, former deputy prime minister Lord Heseltine has warned.

Re-cycling an IMF windfall as 'aid for the poor', not paying bills, they must be searching everywhere.

Oddly enough you often find freak binge spending when the country is actually skint, like over 120 billions and rising on a railway line.

 

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 11 Oct 21 11.57am

Heseltine is hardly a non partisan observer.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Oct 21 12.05pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Heseltine is hardly a non partisan observer.

Bitter old man, inherited the title from Ted Heath.

Once upon a time he had an interesting view point but once he was rejected by the Tory party as their leader he became more and more ridiculous especially his utterings over Brexit.

Nothing wrong in supporting leave but he was one of many senior politicians that refused to accept his side lost. I stopped listening to him after that, perhaps he can find a telephone box for him and Major and Blair they could start their own party..

Edited by Badger11 (11 Oct 2021 12.06pm)

 


One more point

dougster Flag 11 Oct 21 12.12pm

Surprised he didnt go on holiday to Moscow and visit his overlords.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Oct 21 12.30pm

Originally posted by dougster

Surprised he didnt go on holiday to Moscow and visit his overlords.

Corbyns out there I think

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Oct 21 1.26pm

Heseltine did deliver he was a man of action.

The rejuvenation of Liverpool, Newcastle Hull and others were as a result of his intervention, setting up the Whitehall machine to liaise directly with mayors and their councils.

Tell us what you need, and if we can make it fit, let's see what we can do.

He is wrong about not being able to find the 6 billions for universal credit though, it can be found.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Oct 21 1.43pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Heseltine did deliver he was a man of action.

The rejuvenation of Liverpool, Newcastle Hull and others were as a result of his intervention, setting up the Whitehall machine to liaise directly with mayors and their councils.

Tell us what you need, and if we can make it fit, let's see what we can do.

He is wrong about not being able to find the 6 billions for universal credit though, it can be found.

Per year! Who pays for that then?

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Oct 21 1.47pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Per year! Who pays for that then?

Axe HS2.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Oct 21 1.48pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Axe HS2.

And while about it, a lot more of Bunters fantasies....

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Oct 21 2.00pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Per year! Who pays for that then?

Steely is a secret multi billionaire just playing with us

 


COYP

dougster Flag 11 Oct 21 2.27pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Per year! Who pays for that then?

The brexit dividend? No?

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Oct 21 2.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Axe HS2.

And when that's gone in 9 years with inflation then what?
You can't just keep throwing money at things by shelving projects which will advance the country.
Have you seen Europe's train network. Makes ours look like Stephensons rocket.
The policy you want to implement of giving giving giving takes money and pain for the givers. Do you admit many on welfare could help themselves and if so propose how that could be done. Cosy little existence for many on the back of my graft. Piss taking oxygen theives need stopping doing it. I've already said I know there are also many who can't work and need help. You can call me callous or far right but if you ran your own budget as you want hmg to you would be potless in 3 years.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Oct 21 3.00pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And when that's gone in 9 years with inflation then what?
You can't just keep throwing money at things by shelving projects which will advance the country.
Have you seen Europe's train network. Makes ours look like Stephensons rocket.
The policy you want to implement of giving giving giving takes money and pain for the givers. Do you admit many on welfare could help themselves and if so propose how that could be done. Cosy little existence for many on the back of my graft. Piss taking oxygen theives need stopping doing it. I've already said I know there are also many who can't work and need help. You can call me callous or far right but if you ran your own budget as you want hmg to you would be potless in 3 years.

Do you ever think your anger is targeted at the wrong people? Who might have an interest in convincing you that the poorest in society should bear the brunt of your frustration?

40% of people on universal credit are in work. The fact wages have not even come close to matching inflation over decades is not their fault, and it's very clear who has been benefitting during that time.

Is it right that people who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet or feed their families should go without just in case there is some people who take the piss? Or you think everyone should starve just in case there are some chancers?

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Oct 21 3.36pm

Pushing people into poverty is economically illiterate.

We should not be doing this in 2021 with its history of failure, what is the economy for if not our people.

One thing we could actually do is re-direct QE to poorer families, giving them money to spend and stimulating demand, Keynesian theory.

QE has not been causing inflation this time.

Forget high wages, it means rising inflation prices and therefore uncompetitive, unless you could make huge productivity gains at which I'm afraid we are spectacularly bad.

The biggest problem we have is not being in the single market imo, we are no longer competitive with europe.

Maintaining an empirical fantasy in the South China Sea, ill-thought out projects like HS2, corruption, still lords and ladies and serfs, and brexit itself which is clearly going to be ruinous.

Looking at Tony Robinson re-visiting Suez last night I was struck how similar the circumstances are now.

In that case the economy could no longer bear the cost of the war, but we haven't really learnt its lesson well enough.

A Prime Minister, Eden, vain and totally uncomprehending of the real world situation, blustering and deceiving everybody, who does he remind you of?


 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Oct 21 3.51pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Pushing people into poverty is economically illiterate.

We should not be doing this in 2021 with its history of failure, what is the economy for if not our people.

One thing we could actually do is re-direct QE to poorer families, giving them money to spend and stimulating demand, Keynesian theory.

QE has not been causing inflation this time.

Forget high wages, it means rising inflation prices and therefore uncompetitive, unless you could make huge productivity gains at which I'm afraid we are spectacularly bad.

The biggest problem we have is not being in the single market imo, we are no longer competitive with europe.

Maintaining an empirical fantasy in the South China Sea, ill-thought out projects like HS2, corruption, still lords and ladies and serfs, and brexit itself which is clearly going to be ruinous.

Looking at Tony Robinson re-visiting Suez last night I was struck how similar the circumstances are now.

In that case the economy could no longer bear the cost of the war, but we haven't really learnt its lesson well enough.

A Prime Minister, Eden, vain and totally uncomprehending of the real world situation, blustering and deceiving everybody, who does he remind you of?


The Suez went like clockwork. The issue was the USA and Middle Eastern States colluding to cut off the oil. Really, Britain should have a huge issue with the US over that. It wasn't money, in the way you state, or at all the same as today, and I tend not to listen to the current revisionism to suit current agendas.
If you only fight the wars you can afford then Willkommen meine Freund. And whatever the equivalent is in Chinese.
Some wars have more than monetary value but if everyone wants to live under Chinese rule, either in the South China Sea, Asia or Europe, then fair enough. Because that's the outcome of doing nothing.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 21 6.52pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Bitter old man, inherited the title from Ted Heath.

Once upon a time he had an interesting view point but once he was rejected by the Tory party as their leader he became more and more ridiculous especially his utterings over Brexit.

Nothing wrong in supporting leave but he was one of many senior politicians that refused to accept his side lost. I stopped listening to him after that, perhaps he can find a telephone box for him and Major and Blair they could start their own party..

Edited by Badger11 (11 Oct 2021 12.06pm)

Heseltine was the best leader the Tories, and the country, never had. If he had been chosen, we would not be in the mess we are now.

I met him once, and integrity shone from him like a beacon of hope. I don't think he is personally bitter. He is very sad, disillusioned and disappointed at the direction taken by his Party and the consequences for our country.

Him, Major and Blair stand miles above anything we now have. The current lot are minnows in a sea full of sharks. Out of their depth, in the wrong kind of water, with the tide against them, just hoping that something turns up to save them.

 


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