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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This thread smacks of the usual Lefty jealousy. An oh so predictable Righty comment , so predictable, oh well.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I know what I wrote. Do you understand what they mean? Referring to levelling up doesn’t mean they have any idea of what is needed to actually achieve it. Not only that but you go on about the tories when before you’ve claimed that you are one, when it’s very evident you aren’t. But that’s if no surprise to anybody.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Not only that but you go on about the tories when before you’ve claimed that you are one, when it’s very evident you aren’t. But that’s if no surprise to anybody. Johnson and the bunch he has assembled around him are far removed from those I held in high regard in my younger days. Even Thatcher would be ashamed of them, so what would the likes of Macmillan and Hessetine think? They are the types I regard as real one nation Tories.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Johnson and the bunch he has assembled around him are far removed from those I held in high regard in my younger days. Even Thatcher would be ashamed of them, so what would the likes of Macmillan and Hessetine think? They are the types I regard as real one nation Tories. Ashamed of the cronyism and corruption, or lurching into socialism, or any policies the real PM - Carrie whatever her name is today. (I think I know the 6 letter word you’re going to mention)
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Heseltine is hardly a non partisan observer. Bitter old man, inherited the title from Ted Heath. Once upon a time he had an interesting view point but once he was rejected by the Tory party as their leader he became more and more ridiculous especially his utterings over Brexit. Nothing wrong in supporting leave but he was one of many senior politicians that refused to accept his side lost. I stopped listening to him after that, perhaps he can find a telephone box for him and Major and Blair they could start their own party.. Edited by Badger11 (11 Oct 2021 12.06pm)
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Surprised he didnt go on holiday to Moscow and visit his overlords.
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Originally posted by dougster
Surprised he didnt go on holiday to Moscow and visit his overlords. Corbyns out there I think
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Heseltine did deliver he was a man of action. The rejuvenation of Liverpool, Newcastle Hull and others were as a result of his intervention, setting up the Whitehall machine to liaise directly with mayors and their councils. Tell us what you need, and if we can make it fit, let's see what we can do. He is wrong about not being able to find the 6 billions for universal credit though, it can be found. Per year! Who pays for that then?
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Originally posted by cryrst
Per year! Who pays for that then? Axe HS2.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Axe HS2. And while about it, a lot more of Bunters fantasies....
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Originally posted by cryrst
Per year! Who pays for that then? Steely is a secret multi billionaire just playing with us
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Originally posted by cryrst
Per year! Who pays for that then? The brexit dividend? No?
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Axe HS2. And when that's gone in 9 years with inflation then what?
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Originally posted by cryrst
And when that's gone in 9 years with inflation then what? Do you ever think your anger is targeted at the wrong people? Who might have an interest in convincing you that the poorest in society should bear the brunt of your frustration? 40% of people on universal credit are in work. The fact wages have not even come close to matching inflation over decades is not their fault, and it's very clear who has been benefitting during that time. Is it right that people who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet or feed their families should go without just in case there is some people who take the piss? Or you think everyone should starve just in case there are some chancers?
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Pushing people into poverty is economically illiterate. We should not be doing this in 2021 with its history of failure, what is the economy for if not our people. One thing we could actually do is re-direct QE to poorer families, giving them money to spend and stimulating demand, Keynesian theory. QE has not been causing inflation this time. Forget high wages, it means rising inflation prices and therefore uncompetitive, unless you could make huge productivity gains at which I'm afraid we are spectacularly bad. The biggest problem we have is not being in the single market imo, we are no longer competitive with europe. Maintaining an empirical fantasy in the South China Sea, ill-thought out projects like HS2, corruption, still lords and ladies and serfs, and brexit itself which is clearly going to be ruinous. Looking at Tony Robinson re-visiting Suez last night I was struck how similar the circumstances are now. In that case the economy could no longer bear the cost of the war, but we haven't really learnt its lesson well enough. A Prime Minister, Eden, vain and totally uncomprehending of the real world situation, blustering and deceiving everybody, who does he remind you of?
The Suez went like clockwork. The issue was the USA and Middle Eastern States colluding to cut off the oil. Really, Britain should have a huge issue with the US over that. It wasn't money, in the way you state, or at all the same as today, and I tend not to listen to the current revisionism to suit current agendas.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Bitter old man, inherited the title from Ted Heath. Once upon a time he had an interesting view point but once he was rejected by the Tory party as their leader he became more and more ridiculous especially his utterings over Brexit. Nothing wrong in supporting leave but he was one of many senior politicians that refused to accept his side lost. I stopped listening to him after that, perhaps he can find a telephone box for him and Major and Blair they could start their own party.. Edited by Badger11 (11 Oct 2021 12.06pm) Heseltine was the best leader the Tories, and the country, never had. If he had been chosen, we would not be in the mess we are now. I met him once, and integrity shone from him like a beacon of hope. I don't think he is personally bitter. He is very sad, disillusioned and disappointed at the direction taken by his Party and the consequences for our country. Him, Major and Blair stand miles above anything we now have. The current lot are minnows in a sea full of sharks. Out of their depth, in the wrong kind of water, with the tide against them, just hoping that something turns up to save them.
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