It wasn't the marginal penalty decision or the stupid VAR fiasco that cost us the game on Saturday.
It was not scoring another goal from one of the opportunities we had earlier in the second half to go 2-0 up in the first place.

Then Palace could have possibly managed and 'weathered' the Villa onslaught better in the latter stages of the game.

We don't have the same strength in depth in the squad as a lot of Premiership teams, but we should have used more of them on Saturday.
As It's been said, some of our guys were struggling by around 70-75 minutes and fresh legs would have really made a difference.

Its is even worse for the lino , he actually has little to do these days but tie his laces and confirm who's throw it is . Reminds me of when I used to 'run the line ' on a Sunday ,The ref would say just follow my lead , dont flag for anything as it just confuses them . lol

Taking that further, I question whether the majority of Managers and players would also like to do away with it.

Frustrating though incorrect refereeing decisions used to be, ultimately they could be put down to human error and only getting one brief moment to make a decision.

VAR should have largely eliminated those types of errors but it hasn't. Why ? As I posted earlier, decisions are still subjective and the same people are making the same mistakes even with the available technology.

Rule changes and their interpretations have not helped either. I thought the Forest ' handball ' last night captured all that is currently wrong in that one incident.

VAR is sucking the life out of the game.

It's time that the paying public and the playing community had an opportunity to discard it if that's what is wanted. Not have it imposed by the authorities that continue to spoil the game in so many ways.

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It's pretty widely accepted that VAR has not been as successful as it was lauded to be before we had it. It was supposed to be a simple solution to correct the human officiating errors occurring every game. It's turned into a beast that doesn't even address the issue it was brought in for, and become clear that these decisions aren't as straight forward as first thought. There's always going to be discussions about what is something (i.e. a penalty) and what isn't. Those discussions shouldn't be about VAR.

There is a future for it, but not in this incarnation. I'm of the view that it needs to be removed, reassessed and then reimplemented once a more accurate solution is devised.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Agreed! And as you say corners and throw ins need to be immediate decisions. Not there for that just yet. But we are for decisions like Saturdays penalty. Don’t ask the ref to look at it. Tell him, it’s a penalty or not a penalty.

I absolutely hate the phrase ‘the referee is sticking with…’.

This implies subjectivity around the whole thing which is nonsense as is the whole ‘sending the referee to look at the monitor’. They’ve tinkered with the rules so much of late you’d think at least one of the halfwits would have some idea of parameters necessary to make a decision.

The fact we now have all these amendments, bonkers rules, a referee and whole team watching cameras, who still frequently get decisions wrong, just shows how little intelligence there is in the game.

You either have to conclude that they have no idea what constitutes a foul or otherwise, they’re unable to use the technology available or they’re cheating/bias in some way. Perhaps it’s all three. Should be a real one in x amount of times circumstance that the correct decision is hard to reach. Not numerous times every weekend and frequently wrong.

You’ve got f-ing cameras and an abundance of technology available, at the very least you have to understand the rules/game and should be able to make decisions within seconds. Still miles off it. Rather than mitigate any abuse referees and officials get it’s just added further fuel to the fire in evidencing the grievances that are and always have been there.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!