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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 17 Sep 23 12.52pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by monkey

I donít think they tell the refs to change their decisions, they just suggest they might want to go to the screen and have a look. Which is obviously a massive hint that they might want to think again. I think some refs stick with their decision now despite being told to go to the screen as a power trip, itís an ĎIím in chargeí sort of thing, even if the evidence is clear.

I suppose in this case before VAR England wouldíve given the penalty and it wouldíve been a fcuk up we all wouldíve been moaning about it, but at least we wouldnít have had the chance that the decision could be reversed dangled in front of us for 5 minutes and then itís still given even though itís clearly wrong, which makes things a heck of a lot worse and more frustrating. At least before VAR you could understand why and how he fcuked up with one look and the speed of the game, but now there shouldnít be any excuse which makes ut even more frustrating for fans

Except even before VAR, you were only supposed to award a penalty if you (or the line-o) were absolutely certain an offence had been committed. You weren't supposed to award one because you thought "it might be" an offence. Now refs can award a soft penalty in the knowledge that VAR will look at it anyway, so there will be a "get out of jail card", even though that 'card' nevertheless exposes a wrong decision. In this example, however, the ref somehow decided that there was enough of a case for a penalty for him to save face. Bizarre.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 17 Sep 23 1.07pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

What are the exact rules on penalties?
If the defender touches the ball before the man, and I mean slightly, is that still a penalty if the attacker then trips over the defender? Maybe touching the ball very slightly doesn't count as touching it. It didn't yesterday.

Secondly what is the rule on attackers entering the penalty box before the penalty taker shoots? The Villa man was well inside the box way before the penalty was kicked.
If the rule says he is allowed but he can't interfere if the ball doesn't go in, then players should start running in early to put the keeper off.

It's all so ambiguous and muddling. Does the game no favours. The refs and VAR blokes should follow the rules properly and they should have to explain to the viewers their take on what they saw and why they made their decision.

Six minutes to decide a penalty decision is way too long. Yesterday there was 16 minutes of extra time. I had a train to catch.

Edited by dreamwaverider (17 Sep 2023 1.08pm)

 

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Originally posted by YT

Except even before VAR, you were only supposed to award a penalty if you (or the line-o) were absolutely certain an offence had been committed. You weren't supposed to award one because you thought "it might be" an offence. Now refs can award a soft penalty in the knowledge that VAR will look at it anyway, so there will be a "get out of jail card", even though that 'card' nevertheless exposes a wrong decision. In this example, however, the ref somehow decided that there was enough of a case for a penalty for him to save face. Bizarre.

Thatís why itís all turned into a farce and is ruining the game, I donít think even the refs know which way to turn sometimes.
Also If that had been at Selhurst yesterday would he have stuck to his decision? Or did he just bottle it in front of the Villa fans?

 

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Originally posted by monkey

Thatís why itís all turned into a farce and is ruining the game, I donít think even the refs know which way to turn sometimes.
Also If that had been at Selhurst yesterday would he have stuck to his decision? Or did he just bottle it in front of the Villa fans?

I don't think he 'bottled' it as you infer, he was the one that immediately gave the pen, VAR suggested he went & have another look, he decided he was right, no 'bottling' imo.

 


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View Philís Barber's Profile Philís Barber Flag Crowborough 17 Sep 23 1.47pm Send a Private Message to Philís Barber Add Philís Barber as a friend

I genuinely think he did bottle it. I was there and the longer his deliberations went on the more the Villa crowd got on his back. I totally think he bottled overturning the decision because he was becoming more and more conscious of what the home crowd reaction would be like.

 

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Originally posted by Philís Barber

I genuinely think he did bottle it. I was there and the longer his deliberations went on the more the Villa crowd got on his back. I totally think he bottled overturning the decision because he was becoming more and more conscious of what the home crowd reaction would be like.

Sadly, thatís my view on it as well. Been down the other end the penalty wouldnít have been given in my opinion :-(

 

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View Robk's Profile Robk Flag 17 Sep 23 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Robk Add Robk as a friend

Unfortunately Darren England isnít one of the better Referees... Oliver or Taylor wouldnít have given it....

 

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Originally posted by eagleman13

I don't think he 'bottled' it as you infer, he was the one that immediately gave the pen, VAR suggested he went & have another look, he decided he was right, no 'bottling' imo.

Only heíll know for sure, but can you imagine the wrath of the home crowd if he had changed his decision? I do think it was more of an ego thing though, ĎIím right and Iím not changing my mindí itís got to be that because no one is surely that stupid to still think that was a penalty after looking at it again

 

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Originally posted by monkey

Only heíll know for sure, but can you imagine the wrath of the home crowd if he had changed his decision? I do think it was more of an ego thing though, ĎIím right and Iím not changing my mindí itís got to be that because no one is surely that stupid to still think that was a penalty after looking at it again

My take is that Richards touched the ball but barely. The ref was definitely trying to prove he was right and so chose the option that Richards didn't touch it. Where are these heat ray thingies you get in the cricket? Or can football not afford the technology??!!

Edited by dreamwaverider (17 Sep 2023 3.07pm)

 

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Originally posted by monkey

Only heíll know for sure, but can you imagine the wrath of the home crowd if he had changed his decision? I do think it was more of an ego thing though, ĎIím right and Iím not changing my mindí itís got to be that because no one is surely that stupid to still think that was a penalty after looking at it again

Darren England is . . .

As for the 'wrath' of the home crowd, i think he is that arrogant, it wouldn't of bothered him. We've had it at Selhurst, ref never blinked an eyelid.

 


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Originally posted by Robk

Unfortunately Darren England isnít one of the better Referees... Oliver or Taylor wouldnít have given it....

Anyone know who was on VAR? Suspect neither of these two

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

Anyone know who was on VAR? Suspect neither of these two

VAR: Robert Jones. Assistant VAR: Ian Hussin.
The fourth official, appropriately enough, was Steve Martin.

 

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