Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace - Match Thread
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 YT  Oxford 17 Sep 23 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by monkey
I don’t think they tell the refs to change their decisions, they just suggest they might want to go to the screen and have a look. Which is obviously a massive hint that they might want to think again. I think some refs stick with their decision now despite being told to go to the screen as a power trip, it’s an ‘I’m in charge’ sort of thing, even if the evidence is clear. I suppose in this case before VAR England would’ve given the penalty and it would’ve been a fcuk up we all would’ve been moaning about it, but at least we wouldn’t have had the chance that the decision could be reversed dangled in front of us for 5 minutes and then it’s still given even though it’s clearly wrong, which makes things a heck of a lot worse and more frustrating. At least before VAR you could understand why and how he fcuked up with one look and the speed of the game, but now there shouldn’t be any excuse which makes ut even more frustrating for fans Except even before VAR, you were only supposed to award a penalty if you (or the line-o) were absolutely certain an offence had been committed. You weren't supposed to award one because you thought "it might be" an offence. Now refs can award a soft penalty in the knowledge that VAR will look at it anyway, so there will be a "get out of jail card", even though that 'card' nevertheless exposes a wrong decision. In this example, however, the ref somehow decided that there was enough of a case for a penalty for him to save face. Bizarre.
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| dreamwaverider London 17 Sep 23 1.07pm |
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What are the exact rules on penalties? Secondly what is the rule on attackers entering the penalty box before the penalty taker shoots? The Villa man was well inside the box way before the penalty was kicked. It's all so ambiguous and muddling. Does the game no favours. The refs and VAR blokes should follow the rules properly and they should have to explain to the viewers their take on what they saw and why they made their decision. Six minutes to decide a penalty decision is way too long. Yesterday there was 16 minutes of extra time. I had a train to catch. Edited by dreamwaverider (17 Sep 2023 1.08pm)
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| monkey 17 Sep 23 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by YT
Except even before VAR, you were only supposed to award a penalty if you (or the line-o) were absolutely certain an offence had been committed. You weren't supposed to award one because you thought "it might be" an offence. Now refs can award a soft penalty in the knowledge that VAR will look at it anyway, so there will be a "get out of jail card", even though that 'card' nevertheless exposes a wrong decision. In this example, however, the ref somehow decided that there was enough of a case for a penalty for him to save face. Bizarre. That’s why it’s all turned into a farce and is ruining the game, I don’t think even the refs know which way to turn sometimes.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Sep 23 1.35pm |
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Originally posted by monkey
That’s why it’s all turned into a farce and is ruining the game, I don’t think even the refs know which way to turn sometimes. I don't think he 'bottled' it as you infer, he was the one that immediately gave the pen, VAR suggested he went & have another look, he decided he was right, no 'bottling' imo.
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 17 Sep 23 1.47pm |
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I genuinely think he did bottle it. I was there and the longer his deliberations went on the more the Villa crowd got on his back. I totally think he bottled overturning the decision because he was becoming more and more conscious of what the home crowd reaction would be like.
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| palace chick South Croydon 17 Sep 23 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
I genuinely think he did bottle it. I was there and the longer his deliberations went on the more the Villa crowd got on his back. I totally think he bottled overturning the decision because he was becoming more and more conscious of what the home crowd reaction would be like. Sadly, that’s my view on it as well. Been down the other end the penalty wouldn’t have been given in my opinion :-(
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| Robk 17 Sep 23 2.36pm |
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Unfortunately Darren England isn’t one of the better Referees... Oliver or Taylor wouldn’t have given it....
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| monkey 17 Sep 23 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
I don't think he 'bottled' it as you infer, he was the one that immediately gave the pen, VAR suggested he went & have another look, he decided he was right, no 'bottling' imo. Only he’ll know for sure, but can you imagine the wrath of the home crowd if he had changed his decision? I do think it was more of an ego thing though, ‘I’m right and I’m not changing my mind’ it’s got to be that because no one is surely that stupid to still think that was a penalty after looking at it again
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| dreamwaverider London 17 Sep 23 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by monkey
Only he’ll know for sure, but can you imagine the wrath of the home crowd if he had changed his decision? I do think it was more of an ego thing though, ‘I’m right and I’m not changing my mind’ it’s got to be that because no one is surely that stupid to still think that was a penalty after looking at it again My take is that Richards touched the ball but barely. The ref was definitely trying to prove he was right and so chose the option that Richards didn't touch it. Where are these heat ray thingies you get in the cricket? Or can football not afford the technology??!! Edited by dreamwaverider (17 Sep 2023 3.07pm)
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| eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Sep 23 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by monkey
Only he’ll know for sure, but can you imagine the wrath of the home crowd if he had changed his decision? I do think it was more of an ego thing though, ‘I’m right and I’m not changing my mind’ it’s got to be that because no one is surely that stupid to still think that was a penalty after looking at it again Darren England is . . . As for the 'wrath' of the home crowd, i think he is that arrogant, it wouldn't of bothered him. We've had it at Selhurst, ref never blinked an eyelid.
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| Spiderman Horsham 17 Sep 23 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by Robk
Unfortunately Darren England isn’t one of the better Referees... Oliver or Taylor wouldn’t have given it.... Anyone know who was on VAR? Suspect neither of these two
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Teddy Eagle  17 Sep 23 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Anyone know who was on VAR? Suspect neither of these two VAR: Robert Jones. Assistant VAR: Ian Hussin.
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