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matt_himself Flag Matataland 30 May 17 4.41pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

There seems to be a lot of people at a loss as to why the guy is so popular amongst tge young so i'll give it a go from my perspective...

If you're coming out of school/uni today, you're looking at society and just not seeing any hope at all. We've had brexit which is really gonna rock us, but more importantly the jobs which offer security are drying up. This i think is the most crucial point: if you want a job, it's easy, but most of those jobs i, for example, am looking at are never gonna come close to paying rent, bills, food and a bit spare.

That goes across the board pretty much. I have mates training to be nurses, teachers, some who did apprenticeships, up to me who went to uni and studied hard but is still looking at a service job to get by. Add on the debt i racked up at uni, and the fact that my financial outgoings like rent and food are only gonna increase...you can see why a lot of young people are seeing corbyn as our only hope.

Then there's the other fact, that younger people feel more internationalist because we engage online and can travel fairly easily. My missus is polish, has studied and worked here but now has a PM refusing to guarantee her the right to stay. I am by no means alone, and i know a lot of people my age now who wanna get out of here because the nationalist chauvinism is blinding us, politically, from acting smart about our future.

If you take that security away from people, they'll react against the system. It's a truism as old as the hills, and yet the tories, at the minute, dont seem to get it.


Maybe these 'internationalist' young people should vote more often, for example when we have referendums, and then they would get the result they want rather than just posting guff on social media saying how 'outraged' they are about matters?

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 30 May 17 4.45pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Labour scores another own goal. If you are going to turn up on a programme with certain policies targeted for discussion e.g. childcare on Woman's Hour, then have the bl**dy costs in front of you:

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I found that interview a bit naughty. "How much will it cost?" and then when he tries to look it up, giving him grief that he doesn't know it. Do they really expect Corbyn (and May, Sturgeon, Fallon etc) to know the precise costs for every policy in their manifesto? I consider myself a professional, but if someone asks me for a cost or a timescale on a project in a meeting, I'll almost always have to look it up - you just can't carry that amount of number sin in your head. Struck me that the interviewer just wanted to make herself look like Paxman.

I'd rather someone looks it up and gives an accurate figure than do an Abbott and quote eleventy-twelve pounds

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 30 May 17 5.09pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

This also applies to May who could hardly answer a single question of Paxman's last night. In my lifetime, the choice of leaders to run this country has never been so low given their gaffs and backwards Manifesto half-promises at a parlous state that threatens to leave country in ever spiralling downward movement economically-speaking. How our children and their children will be paying for OUR mistakes for generations to come.

You're absolutely right, of course. The standard/quality/whatever you want to call it of politicians generally is the lowest I can remember. I understand that May performed pretty poorly last night, too.

Personally, I wish nothing but a plague on all their houses but for this election, as I've said before, I think May is the least unacceptable of all the pretenders to power.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 30 May 17 5.13pm

Originally posted by npn

I found that interview a bit naughty. "How much will it cost?" and then when he tries to look it up, giving him grief that he doesn't know it. Do they really expect Corbyn (and May, Sturgeon, Fallon etc) to know the precise costs for every policy in their manifesto? I consider myself a professional, but if someone asks me for a cost or a timescale on a project in a meeting, I'll almost always have to look it up - you just can't carry that amount of number sin in your head. Struck me that the interviewer just wanted to make herself look like Paxman.

I'd rather someone looks it up and gives an accurate figure than do an Abbott and quote eleventy-twelve pounds

I didn't hear it but he was there to discuss that particular part of the manifesto.

As Sporty & Cucking have said, the general standard of politician is pretty dire at the moment.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 May 17 5.36pm

Originally posted by Andy_G

Cheeky fiver on labour to win, the country is more than stupid enough to vote him in.

Well they're stupid enough to vote the Conservatives in.... Which sums up the problem of British Democracy, because you'd be stupid to think either Labour or The Conservatives represent the best interests of the UK and its people.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 May 17 5.43pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

You're absolutely right, of course. The standard/quality/whatever you want to call it of politicians generally is the lowest I can remember. I understand that May performed pretty poorly last night, too.

Personally, I wish nothing but a plague on all their houses but for this election, as I've said before, I think May is the least unacceptable of all the pretenders to power.

Sums it up.

 

Sportyteacher Flag London 31 May 17 9.55am

Hung parliament based upon latest polling?

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Maybe more chance of a minority government as who is going to want to jump into bed with The Conservatives?

 

Alexi_the_Eagle Flag Newton-le-Willows 31 May 17 9.58am

I won't be voting for Labour, the Conservatives, or anyone else for that matter. All of them cannot be trusted.

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 31 May 17 10.04am

Originally posted by Alexi_the_Eagle

I won't be voting for Labour, the Conservatives, or anyone else for that matter. All of them cannot be trusted.

Which means there is no point in you debating the issue anymore ?????

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 May 17 10.54am

Originally posted by npn

I found that interview a bit naughty. "How much will it cost?" and then when he tries to look it up, giving him grief that he doesn't know it. Do they really expect Corbyn (and May, Sturgeon, Fallon etc) to know the precise costs for every policy in their manifesto? I consider myself a professional, but if someone asks me for a cost or a timescale on a project in a meeting, I'll almost always have to look it up - you just can't carry that amount of number sin in your head. Struck me that the interviewer just wanted to make herself look like Paxman.

I'd rather someone looks it up and gives an accurate figure than do an Abbott and quote eleventy-twelve pounds

I would trust someone more who did look it up. Its professional, even if you think you know the answer to verify it. I do the same, because I deal with a lot of information over the course of a day, and the human mind doesn't work like a computer.

In fact, I think its absurdly stupid to expect people to be memorising facts and figures just for an interview - when they could take the data in with them. Its a waste of their time and taxpayers money to have every interview treated with exam conditions.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 31 May 17 10.56am

Many people on TV and radio have said now Corbyn is getting fairer exposure they are warming to him.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 May 17 10.59am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

You're absolutely right, of course. The standard/quality/whatever you want to call it of politicians generally is the lowest I can remember. I understand that May performed pretty poorly last night, too.

Personally, I wish nothing but a plague on all their houses but for this election, as I've said before, I think May is the least unacceptable of all the pretenders to power.

I'm not voting on the basis of the leader though, our local conservative MP is an utter cock - Who really isn't interested in representing his constituents only his own views.

There in lies the problem. Its not really about who the muppet on the stand is. Its about your local MP who will be elected.

That said, we have a crazy running as well from Direct Democracy, who's flyer has him represented as some Dungeons and Dragons character, with a crystal ball, some good old Illuminati pyramids and some classic 1% waffle.

Seriously, it took me five minutes to work out it was an election flyer, and not some kind of new cult thing.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 31 May 17 11.00am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I would trust someone more who did look it up. Its professional, even if you think you know the answer to verify it. I do the same, because I deal with a lot of information over the course of a day, and the human mind doesn't work like a computer.

In fact, I think its absurdly stupid to expect people to be memorising facts and figures just for an interview - when they could take the data in with them. Its a waste of their time and taxpayers money to have every interview treated with exam conditions.

I have now watched the interview, he had two paper pads as well as an iPad. The figures were not on either paper pad.

He was being interviewed about the launch of that specific policy. he should have had those figures to hand, it should have been point 1 or 2 of a list of bullet points.

If the interview had gone on to something else e.g. NHS, then it would be reasonable for him not to know all the figures off the top of his head or have them immediately to hand.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 May 17 11.06am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Many people on TV and radio have said now Corbyn is getting fairer exposure they are warming to him.

We know there a lot of gullible idiots in the world.

I wonder how warm they would be when Labour negotiated away Brexit and when they find out how much they will pay in stealth tax to pay for Labour's spending plans.
We can say goodbye to a reduction in immigration or any hope of properly funding care for the old.

Imagine a terrorist loving communist as PM. No thanks.

 

Lyons550 Flag Shirley 31 May 17 11.07am

Originally posted by npn

I found that interview a bit naughty. "How much will it cost?" and then when he tries to look it up, giving him grief that he doesn't know it. Do they really expect Corbyn (and May, Sturgeon, Fallon etc) to know the precise costs for every policy in their manifesto? I consider myself a professional, but if someone asks me for a cost or a timescale on a project in a meeting, I'll almost always have to look it up - you just can't carry that amount of number sin in your head. Struck me that the interviewer just wanted to make herself look like Paxman.

I'd rather someone looks it up and gives an accurate figure than do an Abbott and quote eleventy-twelve pounds

Completely agree...all this bollox from both sides as well as the media about 'knowing your figures' is shyte...they head the parties, the have others within the parties to do the number crunching. Their job is to lead the party and give it direction...not perform like a dancing bear!

As an analyst myself it amazes me how many people come up to me and say.."do you know how many x we had this year?" when i produce over 150 monthly Performance indicators...like i'm supposed to remember every minutai...I simply say.."not off the top of my head...but i'll get back to you with the figures"

w***ers

Edited by Lyons550 (31 May 2017 11.08am)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 May 17 11.18am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We know there a lot of gullible idiots in the world.

I wonder how warm they would be when Labour negotiated away Brexit and when they find out how much they will pay in stealth tax to pay for Labour's spending plans.
We can say goodbye to a reduction in immigration or any hope of properly funding care for the old.

Imagine a terrorist loving communist as PM. No thanks.

Not really sure that the Conservatives are planning to deliver on either of these issues either. They've already begun their preparation for providing some kind method of ensuring a cheap migrant labour force available to UK businesses and have a long history of cutting spending, which inevitably has to come from some internal public service.

I don't mind the idea of more tax for better public services. What I object to is the notion that we can get 'more for less' bullsh*t peddled by political parties.

 


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Alexi_the_Eagle Flag Newton-le-Willows 31 May 17 11.25am

Originally posted by susmik

Which means there is no point in you debating the issue anymore ?????

Call it voting with my feet.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 May 17 11.48am

Originally posted by Alexi_the_Eagle

Call it voting with my feet.

Let's face it. Many constituencies including mine are certs for a particular party.
In fact if it wasn't for the liberal/left/ethnic vote in London, the Tories would win comfortably since, as with Brexit, most regions of Britain are Tory Blue.
Ridiculous that so many of us have to listen to the unrepresentative drone of London, a few other people who are still bitter about Thatcher and the hordes of migrants that Blair opened the flood gates for.

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 31 May 17 12.54pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'm not voting on the basis of the leader though, our local conservative MP is an utter cock - Who really isn't interested in representing his constituents only his own views.

There in lies the problem. Its not really about who the muppet on the stand is. Its about your local MP who will be elected.

That said, we have a crazy running as well from Direct Democracy, who's flyer has him represented as some Dungeons and Dragons character, with a crystal ball, some good old Illuminati pyramids and some classic 1% waffle.

Seriously, it took me five minutes to work out it was an election flyer, and not some kind of new cult thing.

All very commendable but in practice, that's how it'll be, though. No matter how good (or bad) a constituency MP may be, it's the tactical and floating votes that'll determine the overall outcome. A General Election, in the eyes of the electorate, is always a question of who should be Prime Minister.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 May 17 2.06pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

All very commendable but in practice, that's how it'll be, though. No matter how good (or bad) a constituency MP may be, it's the tactical and floating votes that'll determine the overall outcome. A General Election, in the eyes of the electorate, is always a question of who should be Prime Minister.

Yep. Because the population are mostly dumb c**ts.

 


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