I said that it was the closest policy towards making him unelectable (and his complete disavowal would certainly make it difficult for me to accept him) but it is a view at least in part shared by up to 30%-35% of the electorate based on polling so doesn't make him totally unelectable.

And you've made no attempt to show how any of his other policies make him unelectable except for your frankly weak anecdotal evidence that because he doesn't dress to your standards he must be ineffectual.

I wouldn't vote for him (but then I have never voted for Labour at any general election). But pretty much everything you've said to date ties in with the idea that his unelectability is linked purely to his media perception. Which just reinforces the point Nick is making.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Used it twice in the last few weeks travelling from Kings Cross to Edinburgh (via Newcastle) at similar times to the Corbyn train and there were plenty of seats.

It is quite obvious that you can sit in a reserved seat if it is not taken and if someone comes along with a ticket you move.

A silly error.

Now he should try using a peak time commuting Southern Train and then he will get my sympathy. There is not even enough room to sit on the floor.

I wonder if we have a nuclear deterrent with cyber warfare advancing so fast it seems you can hack into anything where there is a computer.

The PM's comment that she 'does not accept' that new technology will undermine trident by 2050 - how can she possibly know that.

If she is still looking for the red button she thinks she will press lady there isn't one.

We are not that stupid (hopefully).

Loved corbyn's comment the other day when leaving his house, he said to reporters " thank you for coming to my house and wasting 3 hours of your life" before jumping onto his bicycle and peddling off into the distance. Ten out of ten Jeremy!!

2050 is in 34 years time. So we shouldn't use current technology because of the rather odd idea that cyber technology will supersede it?

Glad you aren't in charge.

Why are you so aggressive?

All we are doing is having a discussion about Corbyn's electability prospects - we are not at war!

I contend that his appearance and public persona render him unelectable like many of his Labour colleagues before him were. On top of his image he has done some pretty stupid things like the train stunt and openly admitting he would not fire a missile which does not sit well with many voters.

You contend that his policies are good enough to overcome any image issues which are being orchestrated by the Media.

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The above link is a BBC story about Ed Balls and how he thinks Corbyn's leadership style as "leftist Utopian fantasy"..... Did the Media force Balls to say that too?

Also, if as you say the Media have such a hold on us poor susceptible feeble minded souls that we cannot think for ourselves.... why did the referendum vote for Brexit happen? The Remain camp had the BBC and the rest of the Media in their pocket and we were force fed a diet of economic gloom messages for months!

Of course Corbyn's policies are going to appeal to the public in generic terms, but they are not much different to Theresa May's recently published stated aims - stuff like equality for all, lower taxes, greater opportunities, more sunshine, free beer etc.

We can all make promises that we cannot keep, so choosing a party to vote for or leader of a party comes down to candidates personalities and how they behave in many peoples minds. As I said Miliband's gurning whilst eating a bacon sandwich and tripping up the steps on the TV debate scuppered his chances of being PM. Neil Kinnock going arse over t1t in the sea all those years ago.... reputation ruined in one second. John Major's affair with Edwina Currie physically made people sick thinking about it, let alone vote for him!

People see these events and it may be in their subconscious, but their minds are made up that the person making a fool of themselves, or saying the wrong thing means they cannot possibly run the country if they are that careless.

I would also remind you that the public don't always get it right... Blair's image convinced millions to vote for him, and look how that turned out.

There's no need for you to be indignant and aggressive about our respective opinions differing - we're just two Palace fans having a political discussion on a website.

I haven't belittled your opinion calling it weak or ill thought out - I've just offered my own opinion based on my beliefs and experience.

I don't expect you to change your opinion, but I can assure you I won't be changing mine either!

All the best.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (29 Aug 2016 8.34am)