I applaud you for not wanting to force your opinions on others, and being against abortion is one of those opinions many people choose to consider personal.

My difficulty with that is that if it is considered the killing of a defenceless being why should you not want the banning of it imposed on the populace?

Not wishing to be knifed in the street is hardly a personal matter for your conscience.

Well done to him for being honest, having principles and saying what he believes despite it being unfashionable.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

It's not easy, but I think essentially it's because I'm a democrat.....Sure, I think people should behave how I believe they should....but if my side's force of argument doesn't convince them then....forcing them to comply comes with far more problems.

That's like the 'no violence' principle....In general it's a good principle to enact but in some cases it's an impossible one...and in others there is no good way to avoid it.....You are left instead, with the 'what's the least worse option'.....sometimes force is that option. Let's consider two realities of life:

The sanctioning of the murder of enemies in war-time.
The nuclear WW2 bomb drops on Japan.

Those are two easy straight to the mind examples....in theory there are plenty of other examples.

In a sense both of these are indefensible. But both are arguable as a least worse option. Personally I can see that with the first one...the second one is very very complicated...and I've never been quite able to accept it....but it's an incredibly hard situation.

That's what I mean with the abortion situation being complex and difficult.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2017 3.13pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yep, I prefer these types of politicians.

Benn, Mogg, Corbyn (to an extent), Thatcher.

We may or may not agree with them but conviction politicians actually get things done when in power.

Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worst.

But conviction politicians must have a democratic mandate first.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2017 3.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Well, it isn't perfect but I don't see how else society works.

As I say....it's the least worst option.

Without democracy you have dictatorship, which leads to tyranny.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I cannot think of anything more disgusting than the murder of an unborn child.

There is a life, probably formed in the womb at 22 weeks, what agony must it go through as it is terminated??

What do posters think is actually happening then.

Consider the life of the unborn child from its perspective alone.

Religion disease rape loads of other things but see the life of an unborn child is being taken in the worst manner you can imagine.