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 DanH  SW2 25 Sep 19 11.57pm |
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Attachment: | Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 12.09am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The difference is that illegal means an act forbidden by a law that has been passed. Unlawful means not authorised by law because no such law has been passed. Illegal and unlawful? It just doesn't matter. The Oxford English Dictionary gives one as a synonym of the other. I see flimsy straws being reached for when substantive issues are at stake. Did you watch Newsnight this evening? It was suggested there that stories are emerging that the real reason that no affidavit was presented was because no civil servant could be found who was prepared to perjure themselves. The AG is an honourable man but his advice is, rightly, confidential, so what it actually was is unknown. We do know it wasn't shared with Cabinet. The AG is also a politician as we saw today. There may well be much more to come out on this if Parliament press for the relevant papers. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (26 Sep 2019 12.20am)
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Teddy Eagle  26 Sep 19 12.15am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Illegal and unlawful? It just doesn't matter. The Oxford English Dictionary gives one as a synonym of the other. I see flimsy straws being reached for when substantive issues are at stake. Did you watch Newsnight this evening? It was suggested there that stories are emerging that the real reason that no affidavit was presented was because no civil servant could be found who was prepared to purger themselves. The AG is an honourable man but his advice is, rightly, confidential, so what it actually was is unknown. We do know it wasn't shared with Cabinet. The AG is also a politician as we saw today. There may well be much more to come out on this if Parliament press for the relevant papers. It does matter. Matters as much as the difference between purger and perjure.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 12.17am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Yep. Thats the way the game works. Or is meant to. Because as matters stand, the HoC is backing Boris and backing Brexit. If it did not, then we would be having a vote of no confidence. And nothing. All froth and piss. LOL. The HoC doesn't trust Johnson to keep his word and not try another trick to slip a no deal Brexit under their radar and in through the backdoor. Unlawfully proroguing Parliament gives them every reason not to trust him.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 12.21am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It does matter. Matters as much as the difference between purger and perjure. It's getting late! But thanks.
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| Stirlingsays Online 26 Sep 19 1.11am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Have you been drinking? To be fair the closest you get to outside is looking out the window seemingly.
And come 31st of October I'll be necking it like it's manna from heaven.
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| Mapletree Croydon 26 Sep 19 1.35am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There was no law or precedent, they made it up as they went. They literally second guessed the PM and involved themselves in politics. I warrant everyone of them was a remainer.....the elites have it coming one way or the other.
Interesting logic. So either Judges have been selected for many years due to pro Europe leanings, Judges automatically are pro remain or you are wrong Have you looked into who the judges are? They don’t exactly come from the left wing heartlands These people are incredibly clever, albeit largely from advantaged backgrounds. As you know, the Supreme Court is a constitutional Court and therefore this issue is clearly within its jurisdiction.
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| Stirlingsays Online 26 Sep 19 1.50am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Interesting logic. So either Judges have been selected for many years due to pro Europe leanings, Judges automatically are pro remain or you are wrong Have you looked into who the judges are? They don’t exactly come from the left wing heartlands These people are incredibly clever, albeit largely from advantaged backgrounds. As you know, the Supreme Court is a constitutional Court and therefore this issue is clearly within its jurisdiction. Haven't I made this plain enough before? Having worked in institutions I know how it works. People stay within professions with similar like minded people...To stay long enough and promote high enough it mostly becomes self selecting as in the same people promote similar to them. Not all but elites are more often than not silver spooned neo liberals who came from the same type of background, went to the same types of schools and whose lifestyle has meant they have lost touch with their history and heritage. It was 11-0 and I would wager that they all voted remain.....As most elites did.
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| dannyboy1978 26 Sep 19 6.46am |
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I'm loving seing all these snowflake lefties pretending to be angry with Johnson, hilarious.
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| Stirlingsays Online 26 Sep 19 6.51am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
I'm loving seing all these snowflake lefties pretending to be angry with Johnson, hilarious. Listening to them trying to censor Johnson, playing the Jo Cox card, playing the victim - sensitive to any criticism calling them out.....Yet they are free with the abuse aimed at him. Yes, all MPs are now that much in danger.....it isn't nice but that's how polarised this issue has become. Those who put themselves in that firing line have chosen to willingly....that's on both the leave and remain side. You can't go over the top and expect the opposition not to fire....the modern left are all about censorship and control of language. The exact opposite of the left I grew up with. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.54am)
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| Midlands Eagle 26 Sep 19 7.20am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The HoC doesn't trust Johnson to keep his word and not try another trick to slip a no deal Brexit under their radar and in through the backdoor. Unlawfully proroguing Parliament gives them every reason not to trust him. What you really mean is that the opposition are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing and opposing Her Majesty's Government
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| chris123 hove actually 26 Sep 19 7.35am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That is not the reason because you can go to prison for an unlawful act, it doesn't have to be an illegal one. He won't go to prison because he wasn't on trial personally. It was the advice he gave the Queen that was judged as unlawful. Should he do the same again, knowing that it has now been found to be unlawful to do so, then his risk increases. I am no lawyer but this time there doesn't appear to have been any attempt to hold him personally culpable because the Court was unable to determine for sure what his motivations were due to the lack of an affidavit, although that did not stop them deciding that the advice itself was unlawful and that all that flowed from that advice equally so. I would be interested to know something that is unlawful, but not illegal, and for which you could go to prison.
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