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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Dec 23 12.17pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The king of spin. Was there nothing you did as a youngster you are now ashamed of? If there was have you admitted it and apologised? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Dec 23 12.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The king of spin.

Was there nothing you did as a youngster you are now ashamed of? If there was have you admitted it and apologised?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Dec 23 12.20pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The king of spin. Ashley Giles King of Spain. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Dec 23 12.20pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The king of spin.

Ashley Giles King of Spain.

Red and Blue Army!

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Dec 23 12.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The BBC is proving itself to be biased and woke. None of the commercial channels are any better. The visual media has always been prone to Lefty liberal types. Very often they have a personal axe to grind and use their position to poison minds. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Dec 2023 12.09pm) Yeah of course - people go through all the effort to qualify and achieve a job at the BBC just so they can further the woke agenda. That’s exactly what happens. Definitely.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 12 Dec 23 12.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The BBC is proving itself to be biased and woke. None of the commercial channels are any better.
The visual media has always been prone to Lefty liberal types. Very often they have a personal axe to grind and use their position to poison minds.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Dec 2023 12.09pm)

Yeah of course - people go through all the effort to qualify and achieve a job at the BBC just so they can further the woke agenda. That’s exactly what happens. Definitely.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 23 12.36pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Was there nothing you did as a youngster you are now ashamed of? If there was have you admitted it and apologised? How many people lied to get jobs? Furthermore, how many of those people did so to operate within a role where they were required to determine truthfulness? Has anyone ever broken into a Police Station, set a Fire Station alight, sent telegrams to Microsoft or pictures of their underground dogfighting club to the RSPCA in seeking employment? Give it up Wisbech. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 23 12.36pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Was there nothing you did as a youngster you are now ashamed of? If there was have you admitted it and apologised?

How many people lied to get jobs? Furthermore, how many of those people did so to operate within a role where they were required to determine truthfulness? Has anyone ever broken into a Police Station, set a Fire Station alight, sent telegrams to Microsoft or pictures of their underground dogfighting club to the RSPCA in seeking employment?

Give it up Wisbech.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 23 12.44pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow A good example of how this anti-BBC movement has grown so much - decades of pointless articles hammered by Murdoch and other s*ty tabloid rags. Interestingly, taking posters on here, there is a big old Venn diagram between Brexit voters and those who are now vehemently anti-BBC.** Whilst I think you have a point the bigger worry for the BBC is from the people who are not political but simply don't care about the BBC or paying for it. If the BBC licence fee collapses like the Poll Tax it will be those people who do for it not the like of myself and Stirlingsays. As for the anti BBC agenda sure I admit it because I am forced to pay for something I don't use. You don't see me banging on about the Guardian and the Mirror each to his own. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 23 12.44pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

A good example of how this anti-BBC movement has grown so much - decades of pointless articles hammered by Murdoch and other s***ty tabloid rags.

Interestingly, taking posters on here, there is a big old Venn diagram between Brexit voters and those who are now vehemently anti-BBC.

Whilst I think you have a point the bigger worry for the BBC is from the people who are not political but simply don't care about the BBC or paying for it.

If the BBC licence fee collapses like the Poll Tax it will be those people who do for it not the like of myself and Stirlingsays.

As for the anti BBC agenda sure I admit it because I am forced to pay for something I don't use. You don't see me banging on about the Guardian and the Mirror each to his own.

One more point

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 23 12.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So true. It’s the same group of angry discontents relying on instinct and not on reason for their attitudes. Such people have always existed but today they just make more noise because of the internet. They won a democratic vote on Brexit and changed the Red wall to Blue. They are more than noisy. They represent the real British, not the naive students, the London liberal bubble or the block vote minorities.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Dec 23 12.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So true. It’s the same group of angry discontents relying on instinct and not on reason for their attitudes. Such people have always existed but today they just make more noise because of the internet.

They won a democratic vote on Brexit and changed the Red wall to Blue.

They are more than noisy. They represent the real British, not the naive students, the London liberal bubble or the block vote minorities.

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 23 12.50pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Yeah of course - people go through all the effort to qualify and achieve a job at the BBC just so they can further the woke agenda. That’s exactly what happens. Definitely. What a daft retort. Birds of a feather...

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Dec 23 12.50pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Yeah of course - people go through all the effort to qualify and achieve a job at the BBC just so they can further the woke agenda. That’s exactly what happens. Definitely.

What a daft retort.

Birds of a feather...

Teddy Eagle 12 Dec 23 1.04pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don’t want the BBC influenced by advertisers any more than I do by governments. The problem with funding from general taxation is that it gives too much direct power to a government who is upset at its treatment. Which is just about all of them. It could be done but would need to be ring fenced in a way than ensures continuity with the level assessed by a body independent of government. My preference is to continue with the licence but to also add the charge to the cost of the licence to internet contracts for anybody not able to show they hold a licence. This could be extended to data on SIM cards. Prove you have a licence and it doesn’t get added. All you would need to do is enter your licence number (or personal ID if we ever get round to having one) and the computers take care of the rest. Why would they be any more influenced than they are by having the licence fee determined for them? Is Channel 4 or ITV news influenced by advertisers? Why should anyone who exclusively watches other channels on other devices have to pay THE BBC for a television licence?

Teddy Eagle

12 Dec 23 1.04pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don’t want the BBC influenced by advertisers any more than I do by governments.

The problem with funding from general taxation is that it gives too much direct power to a government who is upset at its treatment. Which is just about all of them. It could be done but would need to be ring fenced in a way than ensures continuity with the level assessed by a body independent of government.

My preference is to continue with the licence but to also add the charge to the cost of the licence to internet contracts for anybody not able to show they hold a licence. This could be extended to data on SIM cards. Prove you have a licence and it doesn’t get added. All you would need to do is enter your licence number (or personal ID if we ever get round to having one) and the computers take care of the rest.

Why would they be any more influenced than they are by having the licence fee determined for them?
Is Channel 4 or ITV news influenced by advertisers?
Why should anyone who exclusively watches other channels on other devices have to pay THE BBC for a television licence?

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 23 2.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Was there nothing you did as a youngster you are now ashamed of? If there was have you admitted it and apologised? I'm not a fact checker. So called 'fact checking' is just another way to spin facts to suit an agenda. No wonder you support her.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Dec 23 2.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Was there nothing you did as a youngster you are now ashamed of? If there was have you admitted it and apologised?

I'm not a fact checker.

So called 'fact checking' is just another way to spin facts to suit an agenda.

No wonder you support her.

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 23 2.09pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow A good example of how this anti-BBC movement has grown so much - decades of pointless articles hammered by Murdoch and other s***ty tabloid rags. Interestingly, taking posters on here, there is a big old Venn diagram between Brexit voters and those who are now vehemently anti-BBC. Perhaps you are fooling yourself here with traditional left wing stereotypes. I can't stand Murdoch or his sh1tty papers, yet I can't stand the BBC because it pushes social liberalism and anti white propaganda. This is not mutually exclusive. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 23 2.09pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

A good example of how this anti-BBC movement has grown so much - decades of pointless articles hammered by Murdoch and other s***ty tabloid rags.

Interestingly, taking posters on here, there is a big old Venn diagram between Brexit voters and those who are now vehemently anti-BBC.

Perhaps you are fooling yourself here with traditional left wing stereotypes.

I can't stand Murdoch or his sh1tty papers, yet I can't stand the BBC because it pushes social liberalism and anti white propaganda.

This is not mutually exclusive.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 23 2.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not a fact checker. So called 'fact checking' is just another way to spin facts to suit an agenda. No wonder you support her. Yep, the idea is a noble one. But in practice it's an abused concept, that more often than not is used to push a subjective political slant onto a topic. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 23 2.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not a fact checker.

So called 'fact checking' is just another way to spin facts to suit an agenda.

No wonder you support her.

Yep, the idea is a noble one.

But in practice it's an abused concept, that more often than not is used to push a subjective political slant onto a topic.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 23 2.13pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Yeah of course - people go through all the effort to qualify and achieve a job at the BBC just so they can further the woke agenda. That’s exactly what happens. Definitely. ? This is like saying thinking that homosexuals aren't disproportionally attracted to musicals. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 23 2.13pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Yeah of course - people go through all the effort to qualify and achieve a job at the BBC just so they can further the woke agenda. That’s exactly what happens. Definitely.

This is like saying thinking that homosexuals aren't disproportionally attracted to musicals.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 23 2.13pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Ashley Giles King of Spain. Classic. Always makes me laugh that one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 23 2.13pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Ashley Giles King of Spain.

Classic.

Always makes me laugh that one.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 23 2.17pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 How many people lied to get jobs? Furthermore, how many of those people did so to operate within a role where they were required to determine truthfulness? Has anyone ever broken into a Police Station, set a Fire Station alight, sent telegrams to Microsoft or pictures of their underground dogfighting club to the RSPCA in seeking employment? Give it up Wisbech. It's quite incredible isn't it. Not surprising though given who he is.....It's like putting someone who likes visiting gay nudist beaches in charge of the boy scouts. Not a guarantee that it'll go pear shaped but bloody stupid all the same. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2023 2.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 23 2.17pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Give it up Wisbech.

It's quite incredible isn't it.

Not surprising though given who he is.....It's like putting someone who likes visiting gay nudist beaches in charge of the boy scouts.

Not a guarantee that it'll go pear shaped but bloody stupid all the same.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2023 2.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Dec 23 2.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Perhaps you are fooling yourself here with traditional left wing stereotypes. I can't stand Murdoch or his sh1tty papers, yet I can't stand the BBC because it pushes social liberalism and anti white propaganda. This is not mutually exclusive. And perhaps you are fooling yourself that you are the norm rather than the exception.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 12 Dec 23 2.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Perhaps you are fooling yourself here with traditional left wing stereotypes.

I can't stand Murdoch or his sh1tty papers, yet I can't stand the BBC because it pushes social liberalism and anti white propaganda.

This is not mutually exclusive.

And perhaps you are fooling yourself that you are the norm rather than the exception.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Dec 23 2.27pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays ? This is like saying thinking that homosexuals aren't disproportionally attracted to musicals. It’s not. The accusation was that these media figures are in these positions because they have a personal axe to grind, presumably against the snowflake right, and that they are there with the intention ‘to poison minds’ (lol). If you were arguing that homosexuals are disproportionately represented in musicals because they want to make everyone else like them, then it would be the same, and we’d all agree that’s ridiculous.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 12 Dec 23 2.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is like saying thinking that homosexuals aren't disproportionally attracted to musicals.

It’s not.

The accusation was that these media figures are in these positions because they have a personal axe to grind, presumably against the snowflake right, and that they are there with the intention ‘to poison minds’ (lol).

If you were arguing that homosexuals are disproportionately represented in musicals because they want to make everyone else like them, then it would be the same, and we’d all agree that’s ridiculous.

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 23 2.30pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow And perhaps you are fooling yourself that you are the norm rather than the exception. I never read newspapers. Tabloids are for fish and chips. The idea that a Guardian reading type like you can criticise anyone for reading anything is amusing in itself. The leftist drivel that the likes of the aforementioned, The (chuckle) Independent or Mirror print is an embarrassment to serious journalism.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Dec 23 2.30pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

And perhaps you are fooling yourself that you are the norm rather than the exception.

I never read newspapers. Tabloids are for fish and chips.

The idea that a Guardian reading type like you can criticise anyone for reading anything is amusing in itself.

The leftist drivel that the likes of the aforementioned, The (chuckle) Independent or Mirror print is an embarrassment to serious journalism.

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 23 2.34pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow It’s not. The accusation was that these media figures are in these positions because they have a personal axe to grind, presumably against the snowflake right, and that they are there with the intention ‘to poison minds’ (lol). If you were arguing that homosexuals are disproportionately represented in musicals because they want to make everyone else like them, then it would be the same, and we’d all agree that’s ridiculous. Where did I say that? There is a predominance of Left wing views in the media in general. Why do you think that is? Or are you denying that?

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Dec 23 2.34pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It’s not.

The accusation was that these media figures are in these positions because they have a personal axe to grind, presumably against the snowflake right, and that they are there with the intention ‘to poison minds’ (lol).

Where did I say that?

There is a predominance of Left wing views in the media in general.
Why do you think that is?

Or are you denying that?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Dec 23 2.39pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 How many people lied to get jobs? Furthermore, how many of those people did so to operate within a role where they were required to determine truthfulness? Has anyone ever broken into a Police Station, set a Fire Station alight, sent telegrams to Microsoft or pictures of their underground dogfighting club to the RSPCA in seeking employment? Give it up Wisbech. How many? Who knows, but investigators reveal some. Being caught doing it in your youth can be the best cure possible. It can also provide useful experience. Remember that poachers make the best gamekeepers. What needs to be given up is this relentless search for mud to sling at the BBC. Nothing that this lady did in her past has the slightest impact on the validity of what she reveals today. To amplify it in the way that some want to is just nonsensical character assassination. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Dec 23 2.39pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Give it up Wisbech.

How many? Who knows, but investigators reveal some. Being caught doing it in your youth can be the best cure possible. It can also provide useful experience. Remember that poachers make the best gamekeepers.

What needs to be given up is this relentless search for mud to sling at the BBC. Nothing that this lady did in her past has the slightest impact on the validity of what she reveals today. To amplify it in the way that some want to is just nonsensical character assassination.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Dec 23 2.40pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I never read newspapers. Tabloids are for fish and chips. The idea that a Guardian reading type like you can criticise anyone for reading anything is amusing in itself. The leftist drivel that the likes of the aforementioned, The (chuckle) Independent or Mirror print is an embarrassment to serious journalism. Yeah of course you don’t - you just parrot every single talking point by pure coincidence. It’s completely by chance that you’re utterly obsessed with immigration. Of course I have my own biases - only an idiot would think they’re not influenced by the media they consume. One day there will be a proper study into the impact Murdoch and the wider tabloid press has had on your generation - it won’t happen yet because people are far too sensitive to acknowledge that reality, but hopefully one day.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 12 Dec 23 2.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I never read newspapers. Tabloids are for fish and chips.

The idea that a Guardian reading type like you can criticise anyone for reading anything is amusing in itself.

The leftist drivel that the likes of the aforementioned, The (chuckle) Independent or Mirror print is an embarrassment to serious journalism.

Yeah of course you don’t - you just parrot every single talking point by pure coincidence. It’s completely by chance that you’re utterly obsessed with immigration.

Of course I have my own biases - only an idiot would think they’re not influenced by the media they consume.

One day there will be a proper study into the impact Murdoch and the wider tabloid press has had on your generation - it won’t happen yet because people are far too sensitive to acknowledge that reality, but hopefully one day.

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