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Spiderman Horsham 07 Dec 20 1.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not aware of anyone who feels that those who disagree with "taking a knee" are necessarily racist as it depends on why they object. What's questioned is the attempted association with a political movement and the condemnation of that when no such association exists, along with the disrespect shown to the players themselves by booing a sincere gesture. If fans think the gesture has outrun its course there are better ways to communicate that as booing just leaves the impression of racist motivation. Can you please advise what the better ways are as to how fans can communicate this?
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Teddy Eagle 07 Dec 20 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am glad you agree. Yes, I agree that some skinheads are racists in the same way that so are some accountants, dentists, salesmen and footballers.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Dec 20 1.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The reason they "took the knee" was solely to demonstrate solidarity with the movement started in the USA which had become a universally recognised symbol. As the Premiership gets shown all over the world the players weren't aiming their gesture at a small bunch of supporters on a South London web forum but a huge worldwide audience, including many in the USA, Africa and Asia. We might well recognise something else better and have more sympathy with it, but would it have the same impact? Yes, I don't disagree. My point is that taking the knee is, quite clearly, not having the desired effect anymore. I suppose it was all impactful and meaningful in the first place - but is now rejected, in my opinion, by the majority - perhaps of society, but certainly of football fans.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Dec 20 1.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not aware of anyone who feels that those who disagree with "taking a knee" are necessarily racist as it depends on why they object. What's questioned is the attempted association with a political movement and the condemnation of that when no such association exists, along with the disrespect shown to the players themselves by booing a sincere gesture. If fans think the gesture has outrun its course there are better ways to communicate that as booing just leaves the impression of racist motivation. If you think the country, once it gets its voice back, is going to stand/sit by and watch and accept a gesture that was used to its advantage for subjugation in getting the police to kneel as they vandalise the capital and respected and proud British figures and memorials, then you’ve not only confirmed how far removed from the common man you are but why you’re on here doing your research to find out by how much. People have not been and won’t be listened to on this so we end up going about it this way, just as the USA ended up with a person who not many would want as a personal friend in Donald Trump. The objection to this kneeling has been known for ages and the press knew this was coming and why Adrian Durham went to a 14th place C’s 23rd place match in the championship. They also fail to acknowledge it went on at a handful of other matches. A zero tolerance message I’d be in agreement with, but we had ‘kick it out’ working apart from a few matches where some drunk morons go mental by the side of a goal.
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Spiderman Horsham 07 Dec 20 1.35pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Yes, I don't disagree. My point is that taking the knee is, quite clearly, not having the desired effect anymore. I suppose it was all impactful and meaningful in the first place - but is now rejected, in my opinion, by the majority - perhaps of society, but certainly of football fans. Agreed
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m/k mick milton keynes 07 Dec 20 1.46pm | |
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Whilst there may still be racism, taking the knee is now having a detrimental effect, we stopped clapping the NHS, the point had been made, now lets stop this ridiculous taking of the knee, it is polarising opinions, and doing damage
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Stirlingsays 07 Dec 20 1.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Why not have a different stance for various causes? Clasped hands for the NHS?
I agree with you and the others making this point. These 'gestures' seem more for the individual and their quest to signal how virtuous they think they are than to serve a practice purpose. Everywhere you poxy turn it's 'racism' this and 'rainbow' that. There are numerous causes that different people feel different strengths for....I pointed to them in an earlier post. We could fill an entire half making gestures for them. However, the reason this one takes centre stage is all about money....as in these are the causes the corporates and monied elites feel most strongly about. There is no evidence that the reason the guy died had anything to do with racism anyway.....but it doesn't stop them because it's all about them and their causes. Most people go to football matches to watch football not listen to what the monied think is important socially. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Dec 2020 1.56pm)
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JRW2 Dulwich 07 Dec 20 2.09pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Yes, I don't disagree. My point is that taking the knee is, quite clearly, not having the desired effect anymore. I suppose it was all impactful and meaningful in the first place - but is now rejected, in my opinion, by the majority - perhaps of society, but certainly of football fans. Excellent post.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Dec 20 2.39pm | |
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The whole concept was doomed to failure in the first place. Any campaign or expression to counter these inevitable human conditions will fail because it is like Canute trying to turn back the tide in the widely misunderstood fable. No one wants 'racism', but at the same time, we cannot deny its many causes or the fact that they are inextricably linked to the human condition and the circumstances we find ourselves in. It cannot be prayed away in some quasi religious fashion.
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m/k mick milton keynes 07 Dec 20 3.24pm | |
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Suggestion, why dont fans just do a slow handclap, less confrontational but shows we are now bored with this nonsense
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DanH SW2 07 Dec 20 3.30pm | |
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If you're all bored of it imagine how tiresome it must be being on the receiving end of racist abuse on a regular basis.
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Spiderman Horsham 07 Dec 20 3.46pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
If you're all bored of it imagine how tiresome it must be being on the receiving end of racist abuse on a regular basis.
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