Up to what limit? A million? 5 million? 50 million?

There were only 8,000 last year TE, and possibly 15,000 this.

They don't care.

Never have, never will.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

All our elected politicians have been elected by a democratic process.
It is in my view a flawed democratic process, far better we adopt proportional representation.

As regards the liars and hypocrites, yes some of them are but I think no party has the monopoly on that and perhaps the worst culprit is our present PM.

I expect that analysis of the Brexit vote has been done to death already on this forum. What is clear is that London and many other parts of the country did not vote for it. Time will tell if it was a good idea. I think it was Rees Mogg that said we might not see the benefits for 40 years. Personally, I think that the next 12 months will reveal it to be the greatest disaster inflicted on this country since WWII. It will almost certainly lead to the break up of the UK.

As to whether any immigrants or people from immigrant backgrounds voted for Brexit, well I expect that some did. There are at least three members of the present cabinet that fit that description and they all supported the leave vote in the referendum.

When we examine who voted leave it would appear likely that all racists voted to leave but that not everyone that voted leave is a racist. You will need to read that last sentence carefully before you accuse me of calling you or anyone else a racist.

Thanks for the reference, I could not recall when it had originated.

Which one are you worst at, English or maths? It's hard to tell.

His statement was that half the people that voted for Brexit were immigrants.

We could break it down for him, and point out that if you take all the immigrants with the right to vote in this country, and bothered turning up, you would get no where near half 50% of the 16m people that voted remain.

Anyway, back to reality.

There is a problem with the left calling people racist too quickly. However, now real racists are using that as an excuse for their actions. We know who the racists are, (I don't think you are one, to be clear)

One thing with do know about Brexit, is that it has resolved the Tories issue of the undesirable right wingers it has. Whilst there were some very good reasons for Brexit, some just used it as a front to bash people of different ethnicities (a flawed view - you'd think they'd want to stay in the whitest trading block in the world). Now that minority of bigots have found without Brexit, the right wing of th Tory party has no campaign to use as cover for their opinions, and no longer has any leverage in the party. Now marginalised they will now moan about how the government represents the majority of the countries, in which they are outcasts because of their backwards beliefs.

Same thing happened with the loonies in Labour under Blair. Galloway, Livingston, Scargil all kicked out and couldn't come to terms with the idea that they weren't what the electorate wanted.

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Edited by DanH (16 Sep 2021 12.53am)

Maybe your feminism should be directed at Afghanistan and that religion. In this country women are equal,did we not have a female PM a few years ago? In that religion women are half a man. Where would you prefer your wife to live.

I don’t think that I can agree with you in your assessment that Brexit has diminished the influence of the hard right within the Tory party. Rather it has caused the left and central party of the party to leave.

The party is now focused around a pro-Brexit right-leaning core. People like Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, etc have all been pretty much forced out. The promotion of people such as Jacob Rees-Mogg, Steve Barclay and Thérèse Coffey into the cabinet is indicative of the shift in power.

Nothing much has changed after yesterday’s cull of the really dim and very incompetent, people that really don’t have a clue where they stand on anything unless they have some briefing notes from No. 10 and a soundbite to repeat, has changed nothing. The economic and fiscally literate, pro-business, one nation Tory no longer exists.

Edited by kuge (16 Sep 2021 8.52am)