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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.12pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Paisley didn't kill, or order to be killed, anyone. Adams and McGuiness did. Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 2.03pm) A Fascist newspaper's view of Paisley. Many loyalist paramilitaries have said they would never have become involved in violence had they not been inspired by the inflammatory rhetoric of Ian Paisley to counter the twin enemies of Rome and the Republic of Ireland. [Link] "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.12pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Paisley didn't kill, or order to be killed, anyone. Adams and McGuiness did.

Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 2.03pm)

A Fascist newspaper's view of Paisley.

Many loyalist paramilitaries have said they would never have become involved in violence had they not been inspired by the inflammatory rhetoric of Ian Paisley to counter the twin enemies of Rome and the Republic of Ireland.

[Link]

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 2.13pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Which bit of "Labour lost" do you find so difficult to understand? The best surge of support for a political party since 1945 is a victory of sorts.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 2.13pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Which bit of "Labour lost" do you find so difficult to understand?

The best surge of support for a political party since 1945 is a victory of sorts.

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 17 2.13pm
There is little point debating. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 17 2.13pm

There is little point debating.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Pussay Patrol 09 Jun 17 2.14pm
It's time for Boris Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

09 Jun 17 2.14pm

It's time for Boris

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 2.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There is little point debating. There isn't when your pants have been pulled down.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is little point debating.

There isn't when your pants have been pulled down.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There is little point debating. I'm afraid that Juncker probably feels the same way. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is little point debating.

I'm afraid that Juncker probably feels the same way.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

europalace Europe 09 Jun 17 2.16pm
Originally posted by npn I'm not sure how you draw that conclusion - the only party offering any sort of "maybe we'll stay in after all" card were the Lib Dems, and their vote share barely changed. I think the way the leaders of the EU have behaved since the referendum has hardened views against them and, indeed, I've spoken to people who voted remain but have said they would switch to Leave if asked again (obviously a fairly unrepresentative sample). It's greatly complicated by the fact that we are already in, but if we were were not members and were to vote now on whether to join, knowing what we know about the way they operate and behave like petulant children when they don't get their own way, I'd think for about 10 seconds before voting "hell no" (and I didn't even vote to leave) Really? Nearly everyone I have spoken to who is British citizen and voted to 'leave' have said they would vote to remain in a 2nd referendum. Many said that as the story has unfolded they have realised what a disaster it would be for the UK and that they voted originally very naively and based on no real fact. Now the facts are coming out, many don't like the risk to their future or the future of their families, particularly their children. With regards to the EU acting like petulant children, all you're seeing is what the British press make up for their stories. the 'EU' is made up of 27 sovereign states and your viewpoint is typical - never understanding that there are 27 nations in these negotiations, not only the UK and one other. Now of course there has been a new raft of young people who can vote and as each month goes by, more will qualify age wise. A second EU referendum is now highly likey no matter what the British press will tell you and by then, even more young people will be voting. The whole idea of 'leaving' the EU was and still is a fad but it is a crumbling fad with the last 24 hours simply enforcing that fact. Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 2.18pm)

europalace

Europe 09 Jun 17 2.16pm

Originally posted by npn

I'm not sure how you draw that conclusion - the only party offering any sort of "maybe we'll stay in after all" card were the Lib Dems, and their vote share barely changed. I think the way the leaders of the EU have behaved since the referendum has hardened views against them and, indeed, I've spoken to people who voted remain but have said they would switch to Leave if asked again (obviously a fairly unrepresentative sample). It's greatly complicated by the fact that we are already in, but if we were were not members and were to vote now on whether to join, knowing what we know about the way they operate and behave like petulant children when they don't get their own way, I'd think for about 10 seconds before voting "hell no" (and I didn't even vote to leave)

Really? Nearly everyone I have spoken to who is British citizen and voted to 'leave' have said they would vote to remain in a 2nd referendum. Many said that as the story has unfolded they have realised what a disaster it would be for the UK and that they voted originally very naively and based on no real fact. Now the facts are coming out, many don't like the risk to their future or the future of their families, particularly their children.

With regards to the EU acting like petulant children, all you're seeing is what the British press make up for their stories. the 'EU' is made up of 27 sovereign states and your viewpoint is typical - never understanding that there are 27 nations in these negotiations, not only the UK and one other. Now of course there has been a new raft of young people who can vote and as each month goes by, more will qualify age wise. A second EU referendum is now highly likey no matter what the British press will tell you and by then, even more young people will be voting. The whole idea of 'leaving' the EU was and still is a fad but it is a crumbling fad with the last 24 hours simply enforcing that fact.

Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 2.18pm)

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol It's time for Boris It's like fcuking Star Wars....'Help us Boris you're our only hope.' Talk about dire straits. But that's where we are. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It's time for Boris

It's like fcuking Star Wars....'Help us Boris you're our only hope.'

Talk about dire straits. But that's where we are.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Jun 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by nickgusset The best surge of support for a political party since 1945 is a victory of sorts. So is finally having a sht after three weeks of constipation. But neither gets you into Government. A better than expected showing, certainly, but defeat is defeat. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 09 Jun 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The best surge of support for a political party since 1945 is a victory of sorts.

So is finally having a sh*t after three weeks of constipation. But neither gets you into Government.

A better than expected showing, certainly, but defeat is defeat.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by pefwin I'm afraid that Juncker probably feels the same way. Well, he is probably feeling a lot stronger now. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by pefwin

I'm afraid that Juncker probably feels the same way.

Well, he is probably feeling a lot stronger now.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

europalace Europe 09 Jun 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol It's time for Boris I hope so because that will put the 'brexit' talks even more on a plate for the EU.

europalace

Europe 09 Jun 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It's time for Boris

I hope so because that will put the 'brexit' talks even more on a plate for the EU.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.19pm
Has anyone done any analysis on the impact of the UKIP national socialists on the results? Shame if they led directly to a hung Parliament. Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 2.20pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.19pm

Has anyone done any analysis on the impact of the UKIP national socialists on the results? Shame if they led directly to a hung Parliament.

Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 2.20pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 17 2.20pm
The main point is really that Mrs May called the election for an object namely unified support for her brexit negotiation. It isn't a normal election called every 5 years. So she has not got that as the result shows. I don't think she has any judgement or morals just to cling to power by any means.

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jun 17 2.20pm

The main point is really that Mrs May called the election for an object namely unified support for her brexit negotiation.

It isn't a normal election called every 5 years.

So she has not got that as the result shows.

I don't think she has any judgement or morals just to cling to power by any means.

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 17 2.20pm
Originally posted by nickgusset There isn't when your pants have been pulled down. Go suck Corbyn's lollypop. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 17 2.20pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

There isn't when your pants have been pulled down.

Go suck Corbyn's lollypop.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 09 Jun 17 2.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The result is very bad for Britain. A lot of naive students and self interested minorities have tried to hijack our negotiating power. Very ill advised. Then it's a direct mirror of the Brexit vote innit.

Mapletree

Croydon 09 Jun 17 2.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The result is very bad for Britain. A lot of naive students and self interested minorities have tried to hijack our negotiating power.
Very ill advised.

Then it's a direct mirror of the Brexit vote innit.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.27pm
This failure to support Brexit and give May a strong mandate. Is it a symptom of the fact that a significant number of Brexit voters who did not vote on a race lines were mislead by a series of massive lies and old EU myths put forward Farage , Gove and the Buffoon. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.27pm

This failure to support Brexit and give May a strong mandate.

Is it a symptom of the fact that a significant number of Brexit voters who did not vote on a race lines were mislead by a series of massive lies and old EU myths put forward Farage , Gove and the Buffoon.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Mstrobez 09 Jun 17 2.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's like fcuking Star Wars....'Help us Boris you're our only hope.' Talk about dire straits. But that's where we are. Davidson? Can't make my mind up on her. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

09 Jun 17 2.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's like fcuking Star Wars....'Help us Boris you're our only hope.'

Talk about dire straits. But that's where we are.

Davidson? Can't make my mind up on her.

We're the Arthur over ere!

europalace Europe 09 Jun 17 2.30pm
Originally posted by pefwin This failure to support Brexit and give May a strong mandate. Is it a symptom of the fact that a significant number of Brexit voters who did not vote on a race lines were mislead by a series of massive lies and old EU myths put forward Farage , Gove and the Buffoon. Totally agree. Thats why if Johnson takes over as Tory PM, it will alienate even more to the remain side.

europalace

Europe 09 Jun 17 2.30pm

Originally posted by pefwin

This failure to support Brexit and give May a strong mandate.

Totally agree. Thats why if Johnson takes over as Tory PM, it will alienate even more to the remain side.

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 17 2.30pm
Originally posted by pefwin This failure to support Brexit and give May a strong mandate. Is it a symptom of the fact that a significant number of Brexit voters who did not vote on a race lines were mislead by a series of massive lies and old EU myths put forward Farage , Gove and the Buffoon. How very one eyed. The remainers were just as full of it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 17 2.30pm

Originally posted by pefwin

This failure to support Brexit and give May a strong mandate.

How very one eyed.

The remainers were just as full of it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

npn Crowborough 09 Jun 17 2.34pm
Originally posted by europalace Really? Nearly everyone I have spoken to who is British citizen and voted to 'leave' have said they would vote to remain in a 2nd referendum. Many said that as the story has unfolded they have realised what a disaster it would be for the UK and that they voted originally very naively and based on no real fact. Now the facts are coming out, many don't like the risk to their future or the future of their families, particularly their children. With regards to the EU acting like petulant children, all you're seeing is what the British press make up for their stories. the 'EU' is made up of 27 sovereign states and your viewpoint is typical - never understanding that there are 27 nations in these negotiations, not only the UK and one other. Now of course there has been a new raft of young people who can vote and as each month goes by, more will qualify age wise. A second EU referendum is now highly likey no matter what the British press will tell you and by then, even more young people will be voting. The whole idea of 'leaving' the EU was and still is a fad but it is a crumbling fad with the last 24 hours simply enforcing that fact. Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 2.18pm) My reference point is not the other 27, but those chosen to be the mouthpiece for them: Tusk and Junker. A worse pair of useless tw@ts it would be hard to imagine (except Abbott and McDonnell, of course, who Labour wisely took out of the limelight). I suspect that our different perceptions of up-to-date voting patterns probably reflects our geographic locations, what with you being in Europe (assuming you are). I did a quick Google and the most recent survey I could find (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/majority-british-voters-brexit-wrong-decision-yougov-poll-finds-a7704566.html) said that 45% thought leaving was a mistake, and 43% still backed it, so it would still be very tight. A slightly older one (January, I think) in the mirror (not linked because it's the mirror and therefore probably made up) said 13% of leave voters thought they'd got it wrong and would change their minds versus 10% of remain voters so, likewise, it would still be very tight, with voters going in both directions. The fact is that, even with the optimistic (from your standpoint) view of things, remain may win a new referendum by one or two percent (but I wouldn't like to call it) even after all the drama we've already seen. That says to me that it's clearly not the panacea those within the EU seem to think it is, and the people of the UK are very far from convinced.

npn

Crowborough 09 Jun 17 2.34pm

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 2.18pm)

My reference point is not the other 27, but those chosen to be the mouthpiece for them: Tusk and Junker. A worse pair of useless tw@ts it would be hard to imagine (except Abbott and McDonnell, of course, who Labour wisely took out of the limelight).

I suspect that our different perceptions of up-to-date voting patterns probably reflects our geographic locations, what with you being in Europe (assuming you are).

I did a quick Google and the most recent survey I could find (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/majority-british-voters-brexit-wrong-decision-yougov-poll-finds-a7704566.html) said that 45% thought leaving was a mistake, and 43% still backed it, so it would still be very tight. A slightly older one (January, I think) in the mirror (not linked because it's the mirror and therefore probably made up) said 13% of leave voters thought they'd got it wrong and would change their minds versus 10% of remain voters so, likewise, it would still be very tight, with voters going in both directions.

The fact is that, even with the optimistic (from your standpoint) view of things, remain may win a new referendum by one or two percent (but I wouldn't like to call it) even after all the drama we've already seen. That says to me that it's clearly not the panacea those within the EU seem to think it is, and the people of the UK are very far from convinced.

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