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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 2.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How very one eyed. The remainers were just as full of it. Does that make people complaining about the Conservatives throwing away the election, the Poorly Hung? I quite agree, remain and brexit were full of rhetoric and bulls***. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 2.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How very one eyed.

The remainers were just as full of it.

Does that make people complaining about the Conservatives throwing away the election, the Poorly Hung?

I quite agree, remain and brexit were full of rhetoric and bulls***.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.36pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How very one eyed. The remainers were just as full of it. Full of what? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How very one eyed.

The remainers were just as full of it.

Full of what?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 09 Jun 17 2.36pm
Corbyn ran a good campaign but he was never put under any pressure. There's a definite lack of heavyweights in the Tories and May not engaging the electorate was stupid. Look at what it did for Major (and now Corby) I wonder what Tom Watson is thinking, he was conspicuous by his absence this campaign the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 09 Jun 17 2.36pm

Corbyn ran a good campaign but he was never put under any pressure.

There's a definite lack of heavyweights in the Tories and May not engaging the electorate was stupid. Look at what it did for Major (and now Corby)

I wonder what Tom Watson is thinking, he was conspicuous by his absence this campaign

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Mstrobez 09 Jun 17 2.37pm
One things for sure, I don't buy this "remainers getting there own back" argument at all. If that were the case, lib dems would've performed significantly better. Corbyn clearly said we were leaving the single market and freedom of movement was ending, even if the likelihood would've been a "softer" brexit under his leadership. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

09 Jun 17 2.37pm

One things for sure, I don't buy this "remainers getting there own back" argument at all. If that were the case, lib dems would've performed significantly better. Corbyn clearly said we were leaving the single market and freedom of movement was ending, even if the likelihood would've been a "softer" brexit under his leadership.

We're the Arthur over ere!

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.42pm
Good point. But you do need to be truly a crap leader to lose your majority Parliament after a 20% lead. Come on she only called the election because she thought she would get a over a 100 seat majority. Now clinging to power before an internal coup. Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 2.43pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 2.42pm

Good point.

But you do need to be truly a crap leader to lose your majority Parliament after a 20% lead. Come on she only called the election because she thought she would get a over a 100 seat majority.

Now clinging to power before an internal coup.

Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 2.43pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 17 2.50pm
Originally posted by pefwin Full of what? Lies. Nither side were better than the other. It was about which worldview you preferred. This idea that any side could accurately predict the future is BS....and still very much is. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 2.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 17 2.50pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Full of what?

Lies.

Nither side were better than the other.

It was about which worldview you preferred. This idea that any side could accurately predict the future is BS....and still very much is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 2.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mstrobez 09 Jun 17 2.52pm
Originally posted by pefwin Good point. But you do need to be truly a crap leader to lose your majority Parliament after a 20% lead. Come on she only called the election because she thought she would get a over a 100 seat majority. Now clinging to power before an internal coup. Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 2.43pm) She is a truly crap leader. I think what has been made clear is that actually the election was voted on many things besides brexit, something that May simply had no idea how to tackle. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

09 Jun 17 2.52pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Good point.

But you do need to be truly a crap leader to lose your majority Parliament after a 20% lead. Come on she only called the election because she thought she would get a over a 100 seat majority.

Now clinging to power before an internal coup.

Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 2.43pm)

She is a truly crap leader. I think what has been made clear is that actually the election was voted on many things besides brexit, something that May simply had no idea how to tackle.

We're the Arthur over ere!

leifandersonshair Newport 09 Jun 17 2.54pm
Originally posted by pefwin Good point. But you do need to be truly a crap leader to lose your majority Parliament after a 20% lead. Come on she only called the election because she thought she would get a over a 100 seat majority. Now clinging to power before an internal coup. Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 2.43pm) Tories are ruthless. They won't take the chance of May being in charge for another election. But they MIGHT let her carry out Brexit, then give her the chop post Brexit- then it's her fault for any post Brexit issues, and they can get a much more favourable run up, under a new leader, for 2022. And let's face it, no obvious successor currently- Boris tarnished over £350 million claims plus copious other high profile errors. Rudd barely squeaked home and has blown a massive lead in her home constituency. Hammond has no charisma. Looking beyond the traditional great offices of state- no one really jumps out, barring maybe David Davis.

leifandersonshair

Newport 09 Jun 17 2.54pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Good point.

But you do need to be truly a crap leader to lose your majority Parliament after a 20% lead. Come on she only called the election because she thought she would get a over a 100 seat majority.

Now clinging to power before an internal coup.

Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 2.43pm)

Tories are ruthless. They won't take the chance of May being in charge for another election. But they MIGHT let her carry out Brexit, then give her the chop post Brexit- then it's her fault for any post Brexit issues, and they can get a much more favourable run up, under a new leader, for 2022. And let's face it, no obvious successor currently- Boris tarnished over £350 million claims plus copious other high profile errors. Rudd barely squeaked home and has blown a massive lead in her home constituency. Hammond has no charisma. Looking beyond the traditional great offices of state- no one really jumps out, barring maybe David Davis.

Hansy 09 Jun 17 2.57pm
People upset because Tories are teaming up with the loyalists? Even if they didn't, Corbyn wouldn't be able to gain power as the Loyalists wouldn't negotiate with a Corbyn run Labour. So in that case Conservatives would run as a minority anyway. a 20 seat gain isn't a victory. A victory would of been a bigger increase so that the Coalition of Chaos can be put together to disband the UK. Imagine: SNP - Scottish Referendum Lib Dem - EU Ref 2 Greens - Don't kill the trees Ref Sinn Fein (If Labour were closer, they would imo side with him and take their seats) - Irish Unity Ref So glad he's gained nothing from this, and look forward to Labour MPs putting someone more central in place to win back my vote. Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 2.58pm)

Hansy

09 Jun 17 2.57pm

People upset because Tories are teaming up with the loyalists?

Even if they didn't, Corbyn wouldn't be able to gain power as the Loyalists wouldn't negotiate with a Corbyn run Labour. So in that case Conservatives would run as a minority anyway.

a 20 seat gain isn't a victory. A victory would of been a bigger increase so that the Coalition of Chaos can be put together to disband the UK.

Imagine:
SNP - Scottish Referendum
Lib Dem - EU Ref 2
Greens - Don't kill the trees Ref
Sinn Fein (If Labour were closer, they would imo side with him and take their seats) - Irish Unity Ref

So glad he's gained nothing from this, and look forward to Labour MPs putting someone more central in place to win back my vote.

Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 2.58pm)

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 3.02pm
I suspect that should the Conservatives and DUP form a government, then we'll start to see Sinn Fein participating in parliament. Seems like they could justify participation in parliament if it was to 'negate the influence of the DUP'. After months of 'terrorist' sympathiser rhetoric, May runs straight to the DUP. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 3.02pm

I suspect that should the Conservatives and DUP form a government, then we'll start to see Sinn Fein participating in parliament.

Seems like they could justify participation in parliament if it was to 'negate the influence of the DUP'.

After months of 'terrorist' sympathiser rhetoric, May runs straight to the DUP.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

elgrande bedford 09 Jun 17 3.18pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I suspect that should the Conservatives and DUP form a government, then we'll start to see Sinn Fein participating in parliament. Seems like they could justify participation in parliament if it was to 'negate the influence of the DUP'. After months of 'terrorist' sympathiser rhetoric, May runs straight to the DUP. Unless they swear allegiance to the queen,they can't can they. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 09 Jun 17 3.18pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I suspect that should the Conservatives and DUP form a government, then we'll start to see Sinn Fein participating in parliament.

Seems like they could justify participation in parliament if it was to 'negate the influence of the DUP'.

After months of 'terrorist' sympathiser rhetoric, May runs straight to the DUP.

Unless they swear allegiance to the queen,they can't can they.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.19pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I suspect that should the Conservatives and DUP form a government, then we'll start to see Sinn Fein participating in parliament. Seems like they could justify participation in parliament if it was to 'negate the influence of the DUP'. After months of 'terrorist' sympathiser rhetoric, May runs straight to the DUP.[/quote] ___________________________________________ Here you go again, more insinuation that the DUP are terrorists - another great impersonation of Rik from the Young Ones. Of course she is seeking a coalition. Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 3.19pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.19pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I suspect that should the Conservatives and DUP form a government, then we'll start to see Sinn Fein participating in parliament.

Seems like they could justify participation in parliament if it was to 'negate the influence of the DUP'.

After months of 'terrorist' sympathiser rhetoric, May runs straight to the DUP.[/quote]
___________________________________________
Here you go again, more insinuation that the DUP are terrorists - another great impersonation of Rik from the Young Ones. Of course she is seeking a coalition.

Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 3.19pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.20pm
Originally posted by elgrande Unless they swear allegiance to the queen,they can't can they. The IRA won't have any problem with being liars and insincere. Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 3.38pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.20pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Unless they swear allegiance to the queen,they can't can they.

The IRA won't have any problem with being liars and insincere.

Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 3.38pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.23pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I suspect that should the Conservatives and DUP form a government, then we'll start to see Sinn Fein participating in parliament. Seems like they could justify participation in parliament if it was to 'negate the influence of the DUP'. After months of 'terrorist' sympathiser rhetoric, May runs straight to the DUP. I don't see why Sinn Fein should not be taking up its seats they are approximately 50/50 with the DUP by the ballot box. Wonder what they are like on brexit.

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.23pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I suspect that should the Conservatives and DUP form a government, then we'll start to see Sinn Fein participating in parliament.

Seems like they could justify participation in parliament if it was to 'negate the influence of the DUP'.

After months of 'terrorist' sympathiser rhetoric, May runs straight to the DUP.

I don't see why Sinn Fein should not be taking up its seats they are approximately 50/50 with the DUP by the ballot box.

Wonder what they are like on brexit.

Hansy 09 Jun 17 3.28pm
So Labour supporters are now calling Loyalists, terrorists? And were supporting the Sinn Fien/IRA link with Corbyn? What a crazy country we live in. Just accept the result and get on with your life. This is like Brexit all over again. As long as Corbyn is in power, his supporters couldn't care if Scotland voted to leave the UK, NI rejoins Ireland, stop Brexit after 2 years of negotiations and all become vegans. Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 3.31pm)

Hansy

09 Jun 17 3.28pm

So Labour supporters are now calling Loyalists, terrorists? And were supporting the Sinn Fien/IRA link with Corbyn? What a crazy country we live in.

Just accept the result and get on with your life. This is like Brexit all over again.

As long as Corbyn is in power, his supporters couldn't care if Scotland voted to leave the UK, NI rejoins Ireland, stop Brexit after 2 years of negotiations and all become vegans.

Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 3.31pm)

johnno42000 09 Jun 17 3.35pm
Of course they aren't terrorists (American definition of terrorism ' "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" ' Edited by johnno42000 (09 Jun 2017 3.35pm) Attachment: 19059959_1526083754117358_1734467920954298072_n.jpg (61.03Kb) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

09 Jun 17 3.35pm

Of course they aren't terrorists (American definition of terrorism ' "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" '

Edited by johnno42000 (09 Jun 2017 3.35pm)

Attachment: 19059959_1526083754117358_1734467920954298072_n.jpg (61.03Kb)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.35pm
Originally posted by Hansy So Labour supporters are now calling Loyalists, terrorists? And were supporting the Sinn Fien/IRA link with Corbyn? What a crazy country we live in. Just accept the result and get on with your life. This is like Brexit all over again. As long as Corbyn is in power, his supporters couldn't care if Scotland voted to leave the UK, NI rejoins Ireland, stop Brexit after 2 years of negotiations and all become vegans. Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 3.31pm) What result did anyone vote for the DUP ?

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.35pm

Originally posted by Hansy

So Labour supporters are now calling Loyalists, terrorists? And were supporting the Sinn Fien/IRA link with Corbyn? What a crazy country we live in.

Just accept the result and get on with your life. This is like Brexit all over again.

As long as Corbyn is in power, his supporters couldn't care if Scotland voted to leave the UK, NI rejoins Ireland, stop Brexit after 2 years of negotiations and all become vegans.

Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 3.31pm)

What result did anyone vote for the DUP ?

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 3.38pm
Originally posted by Hansy So Labour supporters are now calling Loyalists, terrorists? And were supporting the Sinn Fien/IRA link with Corbyn? What a crazy country we live in. Just accept the result and get on with your life. This is like Brexit all over again. As long as Corbyn is in power, his supporters couldn't care if Scotland voted to leave the UK, NI rejoins Ireland, stop Brexit after 2 years of negotiations and all become vegans. Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 3.31pm) Terrorist sympathisers is the term I believe that's been bandied around about Corbyn in recent weeks. Which the DUP most certainly are. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 3.38pm

Originally posted by Hansy

So Labour supporters are now calling Loyalists, terrorists? And were supporting the Sinn Fien/IRA link with Corbyn? What a crazy country we live in.

Just accept the result and get on with your life. This is like Brexit all over again.

As long as Corbyn is in power, his supporters couldn't care if Scotland voted to leave the UK, NI rejoins Ireland, stop Brexit after 2 years of negotiations and all become vegans.

Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 3.31pm)

Terrorist sympathisers is the term I believe that's been bandied around about Corbyn in recent weeks. Which the DUP most certainly are.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 3.39pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 What result did anyone vote for the DUP ? Imagine if they were Scottish Nationalists, rather than Northern Irish Nationalists, and it was Labour forming a coalition.... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

What result did anyone vote for the DUP ?

Imagine if they were Scottish Nationalists, rather than Northern Irish Nationalists, and it was Labour forming a coalition....

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.44pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Terrorist sympathisers is the term I believe that's been bandied around about Corbyn in recent weeks. Which the DUP most certainly are. Oh no they aren't. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 3.44pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Terrorist sympathisers is the term I believe that's been bandied around about Corbyn in recent weeks. Which the DUP most certainly are.

Oh no they aren't.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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