General Election 2017

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 May 17 11.40pm
Labour is now judged in two polls to be 5% and 8% behind respectively. That is an astonishing closing of the polling. Corbyn's personal rating has improved significantly. All this is part of the mosaic of evidence that indicates Labour has conducted a far better campaign. labour policies are popular, the Tories' are failed and uncosted. Everything they touch turns to dust. If Labour can deny May the landslide she craves they have done OK. If Labour stop her improving her number of seats, she is in trouble. If Labour deny her a majority, she is in crisis. That we are even talking about restricting her or even winning this election is evidence of a remarkable sea change. Nobody in the Labour Party should now be sowing disunity. Labour have a leader who is repairing it's reputation after two demoralising election defeats and he is doing it on an inspirational and popular programme.
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Shizzlehurst 25 May 17 11.40pm

Labour is now judged in two polls to be 5% and 8% behind respectively. That is an astonishing closing of the polling. Corbyn's personal rating has improved significantly. All this is part of the mosaic of evidence that indicates Labour has conducted a far better campaign.
labour policies are popular, the Tories' are failed and uncosted. Everything they touch turns to dust. If Labour can deny May the landslide she craves they have done OK. If Labour stop her improving her number of seats, she is in trouble. If Labour deny her a majority, she is in crisis.

That we are even talking about restricting her or even winning this election is evidence of a remarkable sea change.

Nobody in the Labour Party should now be sowing disunity. Labour have a leader who is repairing it's reputation after two demoralising election defeats and he is doing it on an inspirational and popular programme.

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Stirlingsays 26 May 17 1.17am
Originally posted by nickgusset Labour is now judged in two polls to be 5% and 8% behind respectively. That is an astonishing closing of the polling. Corbyn's personal rating has improved significantly. All this is part of the mosaic of evidence that indicates Labour has conducted a far better campaign. labour policies are popular, the Tories' are failed and uncosted. Everything they touch turns to dust. If Labour can deny May the landslide she craves they have done OK. If Labour stop her improving her number of seats, she is in trouble. If Labour deny her a majority, she is in crisis. That we are even talking about restricting her or even winning this election is evidence of a remarkable sea change. Nobody in the Labour Party should now be sowing disunity. Labour have a leader who is repairing it's reputation after two demoralising election defeats and he is doing it on an inspirational and popular programme. Corbyn will be beaten out of sight and posts like this just show how disconnected you are Nick. You just don't get it mate and I can't help you. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 May 17 1.17am

Originally posted by nickgusset

That we are even talking about restricting her or even winning this election is evidence of a remarkable sea change.

Corbyn will be beaten out of sight and posts like this just show how disconnected you are Nick.

You just don't get it mate and I can't help you.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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.TUX. 26 May 17 5.23am
Originally posted by serial thriller [Link] Nailed it. ''.......there's the domestic aspect, maintaining security, surveillance and data gathering'' Indeed. I've never bought into the 'War on Terror'', it's a vile crock o's***, an evil manipulation (through the creation of fear) of the dumbed-down masses in the ever increasing pursuit of more control by 'those in power'. Death by a thousand cuts, and it'll only get worse. [Link] Buy Litecoin.
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.TUX.

26 May 17 5.23am

Originally posted by serial thriller

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Nailed it.

''.......there's the domestic aspect, maintaining security, surveillance and data gathering''

Indeed.
I've never bought into the 'War on Terror'', it's a vile crock o's***, an evil manipulation (through the creation of fear) of the dumbed-down masses in the ever increasing pursuit of more control by 'those in power'.
Death by a thousand cuts, and it'll only get worse.

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Buy Litecoin.

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Hansy 26 May 17 9.16am
Originally posted by nickgusset Labour is now judged in two polls to be 5% and 8% behind respectively. That is an astonishing closing of the polling. Corbyn's personal rating has improved significantly. All this is part of the mosaic of evidence that indicates Labour has conducted a far better campaign. labour policies are popular, the Tories' are failed and uncosted. Everything they touch turns to dust. If Labour can deny May the landslide she craves they have done OK. If Labour stop her improving her number of seats, she is in trouble. If Labour deny her a majority, she is in crisis. That we are even talking about restricting her or even winning this election is evidence of a remarkable sea change. Nobody in the Labour Party should now be sowing disunity. Labour have a leader who is repairing it's reputation after two demoralising election defeats and he is doing it on an inspirational and popular programme. I wouldn't read too much in to the polls, last election we saw Ed and Dave neck and neck with both taking the lead. Dave came out with a majority. The only way it is a success for Labour is if they win imo. If they don't remove seats from the Tories, they change nothing and the Tories push for a harder brexit. If they take the majority from Tories, Labour will have to form a government with them. Yes that might mean a softer brexit, but with Labour entirely split on how to conduct brexit it's anyone's guess what will happen; and we saw what happened to the Lib Dems in the last election. (Lib Dems have advised they will not form a government with anyone. Nobody in the Labour party is showing disunity? They have done since Corbyn was presented as leader. The MPs are campaigning for their Jobs, not Corbyn. Labour Vets, ones you no doubt have praised over the years all despised Corbyn's leadership; Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw, David Miliband and Alistair Campbell. Now suddenly he's a great leader? #ZahaForPrimeMinister Edited by Hansy (26 May 2017 9.38am)
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26 May 17 9.16am

Originally posted by nickgusset

That we are even talking about restricting her or even winning this election is evidence of a remarkable sea change.

I wouldn't read too much in to the polls, last election we saw Ed and Dave neck and neck with both taking the lead. Dave came out with a majority.

The only way it is a success for Labour is if they win imo. If they don't remove seats from the Tories, they change nothing and the Tories push for a harder brexit. If they take the majority from Tories, Labour will have to form a government with them. Yes that might mean a softer brexit, but with Labour entirely split on how to conduct brexit it's anyone's guess what will happen; and we saw what happened to the Lib Dems in the last election. (Lib Dems have advised they will not form a government with anyone.

Nobody in the Labour party is showing disunity? They have done since Corbyn was presented as leader. The MPs are campaigning for their Jobs, not Corbyn. Labour Vets, ones you no doubt have praised over the years all despised Corbyn's leadership; Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw, David Miliband and Alistair Campbell. Now suddenly he's a great leader?

#ZahaForPrimeMinister

Edited by Hansy (26 May 2017 9.38am)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 26 May 17 9.39am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Corbyn will be beaten out of sight and posts like this just show how disconnected you are Nick. You just don't get it mate and I can't help you. You might be right, but if recent history has taught us anything it's that making bold predictions like this has left many "experts" with egg on their face, let alone members of the general public. The odds are in May's favour and she may well win an increased majority. At the end of the day only one poll matters and there are plenty of people who will still be making their minds up.
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Sydenham 26 May 17 9.39am

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Corbyn will be beaten out of sight and posts like this just show how disconnected you are Nick.

You just don't get it mate and I can't help you.

You might be right, but if recent history has taught us anything it's that making bold predictions like this has left many "experts" with egg on their face, let alone members of the general public. The odds are in May's favour and she may well win an increased majority.

At the end of the day only one poll matters and there are plenty of people who will still be making their minds up.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 26 May 17 9.42am
Originally posted by Hansy I wouldn't read too much in to the polls, last election we saw Ed and Dave neck and neck with both taking the lead. Dave came out with a majority. The only way it is a success for Labour is if they win imo. If they don't remove seats from the Tories, they change nothing and the Tories push for a harder brexit. If they take the majority from Tories, Labour will have to form a government with them. Yes that might mean a softer brexit, but with Labour entirely split on how to conduct brexit it's anyone's guess what will happen; and we saw what happened to the Lib Dems in the last election. (Lib Dems have advised they will not form a government with anyone. Nobody in the Labour party is showing disunity? They have done since Corbyn was presented as leader. The MPs are campaigning for their Jobs, not Corbyn. Labour Vets, ones you no doubt have praised over the years all despised Corbyn's leadership; Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw, David Miliband and Alistair Campbell. Now suddenly he's a great leader? #ZahaForPrimeMinister Edited by Hansy (26 May 2017 9.38am) If Labour win they will follow the path laid down in their manifesto for Brexit. Even MPs who don't like Corbyn will respect the mandate given to the party if they win. We've not seen any u-turns (yet) on the Labour manifesto (unlike other parties) so there is no reason to believe that those policies wouldn't be followed if they win. The road map they set out is not unfeasible.
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CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 26 May 17 9.42am

Originally posted by Hansy

I wouldn't read too much in to the polls, last election we saw Ed and Dave neck and neck with both taking the lead. Dave came out with a majority.

The only way it is a success for Labour is if they win imo. If they don't remove seats from the Tories, they change nothing and the Tories push for a harder brexit. If they take the majority from Tories, Labour will have to form a government with them. Yes that might mean a softer brexit, but with Labour entirely split on how to conduct brexit it's anyone's guess what will happen; and we saw what happened to the Lib Dems in the last election. (Lib Dems have advised they will not form a government with anyone.

#ZahaForPrimeMinister

Edited by Hansy (26 May 2017 9.38am)

If Labour win they will follow the path laid down in their manifesto for Brexit. Even MPs who don't like Corbyn will respect the mandate given to the party if they win. We've not seen any u-turns (yet) on the Labour manifesto (unlike other parties) so there is no reason to believe that those policies wouldn't be followed if they win. The road map they set out is not unfeasible.

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Hansy 26 May 17 9.46am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle If Labour win they will follow the path laid down in their manifesto for Brexit. Even MPs who don't like Corbyn will respect the mandate given to the party if they win. We've not seen any u-turns (yet) on the Labour manifesto (unlike other parties) so there is no reason to believe that those policies wouldn't be followed if they win. The road map they set out is not unfeasible. It's not just the Labour Manifesto they will have to pass through though. We saw how split the Labour MPs were when giving May powers to trigger Article 50. I agree, the manifesto is appealing and targeted correctly. But Brexit negotiations are due to conclude in 2 years.
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Hansy

26 May 17 9.46am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

It's not just the Labour Manifesto they will have to pass through though. We saw how split the Labour MPs were when giving May powers to trigger Article 50.

I agree, the manifesto is appealing and targeted correctly. But Brexit negotiations are due to conclude in 2 years.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 26 May 17 10.00am
Originally posted by Hansy It's not just the Labour Manifesto they will have to pass through though. We saw how split the Labour MPs were when giving May powers to trigger Article 50. I agree, the manifesto is appealing and targeted correctly. But Brexit negotiations are due to conclude in 2 years. If the Tories win they will waste the next 9 months throwing their toys out of the pram, posturing and making threats over the EU's non-negotiables (divorce bill, citizens' rights and Irish border). They've already put us back 3 months by having this election post article 50 rather than before it. May playing politics rather than doing what's necessary to get the best Brexit deal possible.
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CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 26 May 17 10.00am

Originally posted by Hansy

It's not just the Labour Manifesto they will have to pass through though. We saw how split the Labour MPs were when giving May powers to trigger Article 50.

I agree, the manifesto is appealing and targeted correctly. But Brexit negotiations are due to conclude in 2 years.

If the Tories win they will waste the next 9 months throwing their toys out of the pram, posturing and making threats over the EU's non-negotiables (divorce bill, citizens' rights and Irish border). They've already put us back 3 months by having this election post article 50 rather than before it. May playing politics rather than doing what's necessary to get the best Brexit deal possible.

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Hansy 26 May 17 10.20am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle If the Tories win they will waste the next 9 months throwing their toys out of the pram, posturing and making threats over the EU's non-negotiables (divorce bill, citizens' rights and Irish border). They've already put us back 3 months by having this election post article 50 rather than before it. May playing politics rather than doing what's necessary to get the best Brexit deal possible. This is why the election was called. So she doesn't need to please the more right-wing tory MPs.
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Hansy

26 May 17 10.20am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

This is why the election was called. So she doesn't need to please the more right-wing tory MPs.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 26 May 17 10.37am
Originally posted by .TUX. ''.......there's the domestic aspect, maintaining security, surveillance and data gathering'' Indeed. I've never bought into the 'War on Terror'', it's a vile crock o's***, an evil manipulation (through the creation of fear) of the dumbed-down masses in the ever increasing pursuit of more control by 'those in power'. Death by a thousand cuts, and it'll only get worse. [Link] Think the main issue for Corbyn is this is taking him very close to arguments around American Imperialism. It is a debate we should be having, not just in our country but globally, but it is a very detailed one which two and a half weeks of electioneering won't be able to cover, and the Tories will just throw red scare and IRA stuff at him and hope no one looks at their record on sympathising with, training and importing terrorists. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by .TUX.

''.......there's the domestic aspect, maintaining security, surveillance and data gathering''

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Think the main issue for Corbyn is this is taking him very close to arguments around American Imperialism. It is a debate we should be having, not just in our country but globally, but it is a very detailed one which two and a half weeks of electioneering won't be able to cover, and the Tories will just throw red scare and IRA stuff at him and hope no one looks at their record on sympathising with, training and importing terrorists.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 May 17 10.39am
The one thing in Corbyn's favour is that most aged under 40 won't remember nor hold a grudge against his politics and decision making back in the 70's and 80's. But he couldn't be any further from sweeping up any middle England right of centre votes from those who do remember if he tried. Blair managed it and that's why he won. It is virtually impossible for Corbyn to win. What would be best is that the Tory majority is somehow kept below 40 so they have some scrutiny with their oncoming more Brexit madness and other policies (usually iniquitous if ultra Tories are involved). Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 26 May 17 10.39am

The one thing in Corbyn's favour is that most aged under 40 won't remember nor hold a grudge against his politics and decision making back in the 70's and 80's. But he couldn't be any further from sweeping up any middle England right of centre votes from those who do remember if he tried. Blair managed it and that's why he won. It is virtually impossible for Corbyn to win.

What would be best is that the Tory majority is somehow kept below 40 so they have some scrutiny with their oncoming more Brexit madness and other policies (usually iniquitous if ultra Tories are involved).

Big chest and massive boobs

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