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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 09 Jun 17 6.23pm

I have a retired, elderly neighbour who was treasurer of the local branch of the Conservative party. He gave it up when his wife suffered a stroke and became bed-bound at home. He paid for twice daily health care visits until his savings went below the £23,000 cut-off, the authorities now pay. The proposal to take his house value into account was going to make him abstain - he even considered voting Labour. If May managed to alienate people like him, think of how many others she alienated.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 6.27pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The public do not share your Daily Mail version of Jeremy as they know it is all lies.

Not lies at all.

What was lies was telling the electorate that they could spend £48Billion whilst recouping it from just 5% of the population and a 19-26% increase in 'Corporation Tax'.A plethora of pledges which they knew they could not honour.Economic chaos.

I wish some of our 'Big Hitters' had concentrated on this during the campaign.Fantasy economics just weren't really exposed.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jun 17 6.29pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I have a retired, elderly neighbour who was treasurer of the local branch of the Conservative party. He gave it up when his wife suffered a stroke and became bed-bound at home. He paid for twice daily health care visits until his savings went below the £23,000 cut-off, the authorities now pay. The proposal to take his house value into account was going to make him abstain - he even considered voting Labour. If May managed to alienate people like him, think of how many others she alienated.

It was truly astonishing that the proposed that before an election. It was like they were trying to lose.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 6.34pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

JC has done an amazing job people will feel much more confident about voting labour again.

Even for the disgusting rag that it is the Daily Mail went too far IMO.


His Labour party were still 58 seats behind the Conservatives and with less share of the vote.They cannot get enough seats to form a majority with the help of other parties.

Sad to admit that rather than Corbyn doing what you call an "Amazing Job" we were the architects of our own downfall.

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Jun 17 6.35pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The public do not share your Daily Mail version of Jeremy as they know it is all lies.

They clearly do because they did not win.

I can see you're having some real difficulty with this apparently complicated concept.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 6.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


It was truly astonishing that the proposed that before an election. It was like they were trying to lose.

Well there was the £100,000 figure introduced then a 'Cap' which hadn't been decided on. All of this never came across well.As I say, poor manifesto and campaign - NO excuses.

Edited by Willo (09 Jun 2017 6.37pm)

 

Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 09 Jun 17 6.40pm

Jez has got his claws in. He's got the taste of blood Washing around his pallet. You think that this is it? Don' be daft. He'll be back and will have his day.

 


"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 09 Jun 17 6.43pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

They clearly do because they did not win.

I can see you're having some real difficulty with this apparently complicated concept.

They will though Cucking. It's happening and the momentum is with Jeremy's views. If you can't see that then you're delusional. The Tories are like Aston Villa of a few years ago, lagging about but trying to hold on. . People don't want the right and the fight. There's another option out there. And it will prevail.

 


"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Jun 17 7.08pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

They will though Cucking. It's happening and the momentum is with Jeremy's views. If you can't see that then you're delusional. The Tories are like Aston Villa of a few years ago, lagging about but trying to hold on. . People don't want the right and the fight. There's another option out there. And it will prevail.

You must ask yourself how the Tories were lined up like ducks in a row, unpopular, in disarray and Labour, running a good campaign, still couldn't beat them, even with the biggest swing since 1945. They still trail the Tories by 57 seats.

Call me delusional if you wish but the result suggests that there is some momentum with his views but it wasn't enough. Where is this additional support (which will involve another huge swing) going to come from at the next election? They've thrown the kitchen sink at this one and it wasn't enough and it'll be a very different Tory party next time.

I said in an earlier post that this election was a victory for "none of the above". Neither candidate captured the imagination of the electorate sufficiently to deliver a majority. Apathy towards both parties was very apparent and there was a lot of tactical voting taking place, either because of distaste towards Corbyn or to give the Tories a kicking.

With all respect to yourself, I think the delusion lies with those who believe that this is the dawning of a new era - it's not. This election was all about vindictive voting and I fully expect that the Tories will regroup and perform significantly better next time.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 09 Jun 17 7.25pm

Today was historic and monumental. Well done Jezz hope the party really pulls together now.

Theresa is TOAST !

 

Pikester Flag Worthing 09 Jun 17 7.27pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

You must ask yourself how the Tories were lined up like ducks in a row, unpopular, in disarray and Labour, running a good campaign, still couldn't beat them, even with the biggest swing since 1945. They still trail the Tories by 57 seats.

Call me delusional if you wish but the result suggests that there is some momentum with his views but it wasn't enough. Where is this additional support (which will involve another huge swing) going to come from at the next election? They've thrown the kitchen sink at this one and it wasn't enough and it'll be a very different Tory party next time.

I said in an earlier post that this election was a victory for "none of the above". Neither candidate captured the imagination of the electorate sufficiently to deliver a majority. Apathy towards both parties was very apparent and there was a lot of tactical voting taking place, either because of distaste towards Corbyn or to give the Tories a kicking.

With all respect to yourself, I think the delusion lies with those who believe that this is the dawning of a new era - it's not. This election was all about vindictive voting and I fully expect that the Tories will regroup and perform significantly better next time.

Very good Cucking.
When did you become so eloquent?

 


You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.

Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 Jun 17 7.27pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

You must ask yourself how the Tories were lined up like ducks in a row, unpopular, in disarray and Labour, running a good campaign, still couldn't beat them, even with the biggest swing since 1945. They still trail the Tories by 57 seats.

Call me delusional if you wish but the result suggests that there is some momentum with his views but it wasn't enough. Where is this additional support (which will involve another huge swing) going to come from at the next election? They've thrown the kitchen sink at this one and it wasn't enough and it'll be a very different Tory party next time.

I said in an earlier post that this election was a victory for "none of the above". Neither candidate captured the imagination of the electorate sufficiently to deliver a majority. Apathy towards both parties was very apparent and there was a lot of tactical voting taking place, either because of distaste towards Corbyn or to give the Tories a kicking.

With all respect to yourself, I think the delusion lies with those who believe that this is the dawning of a new era - it's not. This election was all about vindictive voting and I fully expect that the Tories will regroup and perform significantly better next time.

Indeed you are missing the point. Two months ago we all knew Labour was unelectable and heading for a serious bloody nose. Suddenly they are not far off being in a coalition of power. So something has changed. I can't say I have ever been a Corbyn fan but in this campaign he has looked quite sensible most of the time. And apart from Dianne Abbott, who somehow always comes across as bizarre and overly aggressive not to mention dubiously informed, the Labour machine worked well.

So, big change. And given more time potentially they would have made it into power, let's face it they had less forewarning than the Tories of the election.

Now what happens will be truly interesting. Is Corbyn becoming the face of a broader coalition of Labour politicians or will he use this improvement to bolster the extreme Left? Just maybe the former, it's certainly how he came across in the election debates.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2017 7.29pm)

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.29pm

Now that the results are virtually all in, what is evident is that c.55% of votes cast were in favour of rejecting austerity. That now is clear and unequivocal. 10 points clear. Theresa May now has no mandate for virtually anything but certainly no mandate for further cuts. This is certainly a victory for those who believe that such policies damage our economy and our vital public services.

I'm disappointed Labour didn't win, but it would have been like Lazarus if they had and clearly Corbyn outperformed expectations enormously. Given many seats labour didn't win have gone from safe to marginal another election this year would provide a genuine opportunity for a labour victory and would allow Corbyn to be much more ambitious in targeting those now marginal seats.

The DUP are a revolting group of people with a horrible record on women's rights and LGBT equality. Not to mention their links to paramilitary loyalist groups. Not surprised May has handed them the balance of power in what can only be described as a weak and desperate move.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 7.31pm

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Today was historic and monumental. Well done Jezz hope the party really pulls together now.

Theresa is TOAST !

Have Labour won the election ?
Or did they trail the Conservatives by 58 seats and polled less than them ?

On that note, it is high time I went down my 'Local' for the odd pint with my wife ! Or should that be a pint with my odd wife ? !!!!

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.31pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Now that the results are virtually all in, what is evident is that c.55% of votes cast were in favour of rejecting austerity. That now is clear and unequivocal. 10 points clear. Theresa May now has no mandate for virtually anything but certainly no mandate for further cuts. This is certainly a victory for those who believe that such policies damage our economy and our vital public services.

I'm disappointed Labour didn't win, but it would have been like Lazarus if they had and clearly Corbyn outperformed expectations enormously. Given many seats labour didn't win have gone from safe to marginal another election this year would provide a genuine opportunity for a labour victory and would allow Corbyn to be much more ambitious in targeting those now marginal seats.

The DUP are a revolting group of people with a horrible record on women's rights and LGBT equality. Not to mention their links to paramilitary loyalist groups. Not surprised May has handed them the balance of power in what can only be described as a weak and desperate move.

It's also now evident that there is genuine appetite for a progressive modern socialist choice on the ballot paper.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 7.36pm

Theresa May from strong and stable to desperate terrorist co-conspirator.

What outrageous demands will the DUP make to behave when voting?

Let June be the end of May.

 

europalace Flag Europe 09 Jun 17 7.37pm

Originally posted by Willo

Have Labour won the election ?
Or did they trail the Conservatives by 58 seats and polled less than them ?

On that note, it is high time I went down my 'Local' for the odd pint with my wife ! Or should that be a pint with my odd wife ? !!!!

It's as good as a win because now the Tories will have to turn to Boris Johnson to lead the party. He was exposed together with Farage as lying to the electorate to push the brexit referendum through. There will be even more younger generation elegible to vote by that time (and even less older as that's nature) and another general election will be on the cards before brexit is anywhere near a done deal.

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.37pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Indeed you are missing the point. Two months ago we all knew Labour was unelectable and heading for a serious bloody nose. Suddenly they are not far off being in a coalition of power. So something has changed. I can't say I have ever been a Corbyn fan but in this campaign he has looked quite sensible most of the time. And apart from Dianne Abbott, who somehow always comes across as bizarre and overly aggressive not to mention dubiously informed, the Labour machine worked well.

So, big change. And given more time potentially they would have made it into power, let's face it they had less forewarning than the Tories of the election.

Now what happens will be truly interesting. Is Corbyn becoming the face of a broader coalition of Labour politicians or will he use this improvement to bolster the extreme Left? Just maybe the former, it's certainly how he came across in the election debates.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2017 7.29pm)

Definitely the former. He clearly has ambitions to appeal across the board and wants to achieve a Labour government ASAP

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Theresa May from strong and stable to desperate terrorist co-conspirator.

What outrageous demands will the DUP make to behave when voting?

Let June be the end of May.

Religious extremists to boot.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 09 Jun 17 7.40pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Now that the results are virtually all in, what is evident is that c.55% of votes cast were in favour of rejecting austerity. That now is clear and unequivocal. 10 points clear. Theresa May now has no mandate for virtually anything but certainly no mandate for further cuts. This is certainly a victory for those who believe that such policies damage our economy and our vital public services.

I'm disappointed Labour didn't win, but it would have been like Lazarus if they had and clearly Corbyn outperformed expectations enormously. Given many seats labour didn't win have gone from safe to marginal another election this year would provide a genuine opportunity for a labour victory and would allow Corbyn to be much more ambitious in targeting those now marginal seats.

The DUP are a revolting group of people with a horrible record on women's rights and LGBT equality. Not to mention their links to paramilitary loyalist groups. Not surprised May has handed them the balance of power in what can only be described as a weak and desperate move.

Unlike those nice, cuddly IRA people?

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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