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 Stirlingsays  14 Dec 21 9.04pm |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
Nearly 100 Tory MP’s vote against Government- hopefully this is the end for Johnson.. Johnson has amazed me since becoming PM. I badly misjudged him....it's like he turned everything he was before upside down. If he had presented himself as this Tory version of 'woke' thing that he's actually been he would never have become leader.....election winner or not. What gets at me more is that he doesn't seem to know his own party....if you take the greasy pole careerists out of the vote, because they are that breed who will basically vote for anything the government proposes, this shows how unhappy the Tories are. If a credible figure emerges to challenge him then I seriously think he's in danger....which is incredible because he's a nailed on winner against Labour......a party that puts men in dresses into women's toilets. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2021 9.05pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Dec 21 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
Nearly 100 Tory MP’s vote against Government- hopefully this is the end for Johnson.. Don't understand the rebellion, new rules seem quite sensible to me.
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| Eden Eagle Kent 14 Dec 21 9.15pm |
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The guy is a fraud - to his friends and family he goes by his real name of Alexander and Boris is his stage persona with the rumpled hair and “bumbling clown” act. I am embarrassed to say that I voted Conservative at the last GE..
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| DanH SW2 14 Dec 21 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Don't understand the rebellion, new rules seem quite sensible to me. It’s precious people pretending they’re much more onerous than they actually are. Would love to see these people have to undertake some real sacrifice.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Dec 21 9.29pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
It’s precious people pretending they’re much more onerous than they actually are. Would love to see these people have to undertake some real sacrifice. Says the 'two car' socialist who had a hissy fit over whether posh people had a party.
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| DanH SW2 14 Dec 21 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Says the 'two car' socialist who had a hissy fit over whether posh people had a party. I have one car and these ‘posh people’ that had a party (or several, at our expense no doubt) were making the rules and telling the rest of us to stay apart from our loved ones while hundreds of their citizens were dying alone in hospital. If you don’t have a problem with that then fair enough but some of the stuff you do have a problem with in comparison suggests you need the take a good hard look at exactly what is important. Some ‘patriot’ you are if you aren’t bothered about your fellow citizens.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Dec 21 10.30pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I have one car and these ‘posh people’ that had a party (or several, at our expense no doubt) were making the rules and telling the rest of us to stay apart from our loved ones while hundreds of their citizens were dying alone in hospital. If you don’t have a problem with that then fair enough but some of the stuff you do have a problem with in comparison suggests you need the take a good hard look at exactly what is important. Some ‘patriot’ you are if you aren’t bothered about your fellow citizens.
Sure, I take the point....but you went OTT over something that's a reality of the class system....Not that I agreed with the rules anyway...though I do take the hypocrisy point (if it happened in any significant way). As for me being a 'patriot'....that's a bit complicated now. I come from an Army family....Many families will have the military culturally ingrained into them. It was a normal part of how I was raised. However, while I've long since passed the age, purely on principle I wouldn't fight for what this country has become....No. I wouldn't recommend that any young conservative male of any stripe joins the military today....because they are defending a system that doesn't like them and demonises them. It's all been politicised and that polarization has consequences. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2021 10.35pm)
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| NE14T 14 Dec 21 10.48pm |
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Least we forget. It’s an incredibly difficult time to be PM the moment.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 14 Dec 21 11.21pm |
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I see Shaun Bailey, the ex CONservative mayor candidate was at the party and had to resign today from his post, maybe the party where the rule breakers were told to leave by the back door? Never liked the bloke anyway," I used to be homeless and now the CONS have let me be their mayoral candidate", this party story just runs and runs.
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BlueJay  UK 15 Dec 21 2.07am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
We can frame and administer our own laws, we don't need some outside body doing it. I don't disagree that we don't need an outside body doing it, I'm stating that effectively the way that our own government behaves, they will still operate in their own interests rather than ours and that we shouldn't imagine that any changes made are designed to benefit us. We can vote them out, not what is taken often isn't returned if its still useful and that typically relates to the people having less of a say not more. Edited by BlueJay (15 Dec 2021 2.48am)
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| DanH SW2 15 Dec 21 8.02am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure, I take the point....but you went OTT over something that's a reality of the class system....Not that I agreed with the rules anyway...though I do take the hypocrisy point (if it happened in any significant way). As for me being a 'patriot'....that's a bit complicated now. I come from an Army family....Many families will have the military culturally ingrained into them. It was a normal part of how I was raised. However, while I've long since passed the age, purely on principle I wouldn't fight for what this country has become....No. I wouldn't recommend that any young conservative male of any stripe joins the military today....because they are defending a system that doesn't like them and demonises them. It's all been politicised and that polarization has consequences. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2021 10.35pm) So you bang on endlessly about ‘elites’ (whoever they may be) but when they actually totally take this p*ss out of us ‘that’s a reality of the class system’? Why do we have to accept that? Didn’t we vote Brexit to ‘take back control’ so that we didn’t have to tolerate this ‘them and us’ behaviour?
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 15 Dec 21 8.47am |
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Originally posted by NE14T
Least we forget. It’s an incredibly difficult time to be PM the moment. Is that you, Carrie?
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