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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The number of people who believe in Corbyn amazes me. I know there's a lot of young people in there who have never experienced living in a socialistic society and only have warm worded rhetoric and concepts....but still. The number of people who don't understand basic economics is amazing. I recommend they read Sowell's book on it. Personally, a part of me is hoping that Corbyn and the far left actually win and gain office. Because it's at that point that all these morons have to answer for the mess. I know they will finger point and deflect when that happens but the rational amongst them will have to take their medicine. A Corbyn will give rise to another Thatcher figure and the cycle will repeat itself similar to the seventies. Hang on....who am I kidding, these aren't self reflective individuals. No, instead the only satisfaction will be in seeing their worldviews being shown for the emotive driven BS that they are.
Ah yes. Rationality. Self-reflection. Because at the moment, the enlightened policy makers at the helm of our society have seen in-work poverty increase to 3.8 million. Productivity remains at historic lows, growth has completely stagnated despite near-0 interest rates, hospitals don't have enough beds in A&E, most young people can't afford a property and every indicator points to the fact that one more tumult in global markets will cause this country to spiral back in to recession. If we were living under a Labour government with those figures people would undoubtedly be saying 'well this is what you get with socialism'. But because it's the tories, who are meant to be the pragmatists, these figures must simply be bizarre anomalies or administrative errors. How about a little self-reflection on your part Stirling? Or is it going to be finger pointing and deflection?
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If Labour are elected under Corbyn all we will see is inflation fueled by pay rises to the big unions just like the 70's under Callaghan. Once again you continue to ignore the GLOBAL ENERGY CRISIS of the 70's and still haven't truly grasped the real effect (the banks printing like mad!) that the end of Bretton-Woods has had on global economies since.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What nearly a 100 years ago? No one with half a brain needs to worry about malicious foreign interest affecting the Labour party. Corbyn hates the British state anyway. If a foreign power has had any beef with it he's never supported the British state. That's ok as I'll worry as I have a full brain. You obviously don't worry so I guess by your own statement you only have half a brain?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
But this is boom and bust. If 2008 can't take the system down nothing can. The taxpayer is the lender of last resort. We haven't recovered.
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Originally posted by johnno42000
That's ok as I'll worry as I have a full brain. You obviously don't worry so I guess by your own statement you only have half a brain? Well then Mr full brain you then contradict yourself by worrying as your initial post suggested we shouldn't believe those suggesting Russian intervention into Labour. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2018 2.47pm)
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Ah yes. Rationality. Self-reflection. Because at the moment, the enlightened policy makers at the helm of our society have seen in-work poverty increase to 3.8 million. Productivity remains at historic lows, growth has completely stagnated despite near-0 interest rates, hospitals don't have enough beds in A&E, most young people can't afford a property and every indicator points to the fact that one more tumult in global markets will cause this country to spiral back in to recession. If we were living under a Labour government with those figures people would undoubtedly be saying 'well this is what you get with socialism'. But because it's the tories, who are meant to be the pragmatists, these figures must simply be bizarre anomalies or administrative errors. How about a little self-reflection on your part Stirling? Or is it going to be finger pointing and deflection? Poverty levels are indicative of globalization, which as a lefty you no doubt support. They are also the effects of the 2008 realities that will take at least another ten years without bust to even reasonably recover from......just like the depression in the twenties wasn't even fully recovered from until after WW2. You, of course, being part of that non reflective Corbyn cast aren't interested in those realities. Instead you just waffle on as though this country hadn't been though the worst economic western failure for ninety years as you compare statistics now to pre collapse times. As I say, if elected Corbyn will wreck this economy from its inching recovery......and personally I'm pretty sure that people like yourself will be nowhere to be found to account for what you said. As they say, success has many fathers but failure is an orphan. I almost hope Corbyn wins because I want to see the wreckage of your ideology struggle to reconcile with the reality of how economics actually works. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2018 3.31pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Poverty levels are indicative of globalization, which as a lefty you no doubt support. They are also the effects of the 2008 realities that will take at least another ten years without bust to even reasonably recover from......just like the depression in the twenties wasn't even fully recovered from until after WW2. You, of course, being part of that non reflective Corbyn cast aren't interested in those realities. Instead you just waffle on as though this country hadn't been though the worst economic western failure for ninety years as you compare statistics now to pre collapse times. As I say, if elected Corbyn will wreck this economy from its inching recovery......and personally I'm pretty sure that people like yourself will be nowhere to be found to account for what you said. As they say, success has many fathers but failure is an orphan. Like I say, I almost hope Corbyn wins because I want to see the wreckage of your ideology struggle to reconcile with the reality of how economics actually works. Isn't it interesting how the post-2008 economic demise - almost unanimously blamed on Labour and Gordon Brown by the right for years - is now a globalised issue, and the consequences of it are no longer political but fateful now the Tories are in. I guess we shouldn't mention that post-crash the only European country whose wages have fallen more sharply than ours is Greece...
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Isn't it interesting how the post-2008 economic demise - almost unanimously blamed on Labour and Gordon Brown by the right for years - is now a globalised issue, and the consequences of it are no longer political but fateful now the Tories are in. I guess we shouldn't mention that post-crash the only European country whose wages have fallen more sharply than ours is Greece... Sure there were plenty on the right, opportunists most of them who blamed Labour for the collapse......not me or anyone with common sense. What Labour do deserve blame for was in not having any economic reserve. But that's the left on economic policy all over. But 2008 was obviously the banking sector, neither party had policies that would have made any difference to what happened. If nothing else, it showed the difference between politics and what actually funds it. How little influence politics has in the real world compared to the world of money.....If the far left think they can screw the capitalists and win all they are going to do is worsen the lives of the poorest far far more. But that's the socialists all over. All they do is keep the poor in even worse poverty than they were before while lying to them about who's fault it is....and of course there's always an endless supply of dimwits willing to man the barricades. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2018 3.30pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure there were plenty on the right, opportunists most of them who blamed Labour for the collapse......not me or anyone with common sense. What Labour do deserve blame for was in not having any economic reserve. But that's the left on economic policy all over. But 2008 was obviously the banking sector, neither party had policies that would have made any difference to what happened. If nothing else, it showed the difference between politics and what actually funds it. How little influence politics has in the real world compared to the world of money.....If the far left think they can screw the capitalists and win all they are going to do is worsen the lives of the poorest far far more. But that's the socialists all over. All they do is keep the poor in even worse poverty than they were before while lying to them about who's fault it is....and of course there's always an endless supply of dimwits willing to man the barricades. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2018 3.30pm) No, socialism delivered health welfare and education to everybody, before you may simply have been excluded. your life depended on whether you could pay. We should remember that in our criticism, that prior to post war labour we may have suffered adversity as most of us expect at some time, and simply been left helpless.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well then Mr full brain you then contradict yourself by worrying as your initial post suggested we shouldn't believe those suggesting Russian intervention into Labour. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2018 2.47pm) Please read what I posted HB. I said wary, ie be cautious. So I worry about the possibility of a made up fact not that the Russians have been involved.
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Please read what I posted HB. I said wary, ie be cautious. So I worry about the possibility of a made up fact not that the Russians have been involved. You're too dim to realise your own contradictions. You think you can point score with silly word play and trip up over yourself.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Poverty levels are indicative of globalization, which as a lefty you no doubt support. They are also the effects of the 2008 realities that will take at least another ten years without bust to even reasonably recover from......just like the depression in the twenties wasn't even fully recovered from until after WW2. You, of course, being part of that non reflective Corbyn cast aren't interested in those realities. Instead you just waffle on as though this country hadn't been though the worst economic western failure for ninety years as you compare statistics now to pre collapse times. As I say, if elected Corbyn will wreck this economy from its inching recovery......and personally I'm pretty sure that people like yourself will be nowhere to be found to account for what you said. As they say, success has many fathers but failure is an orphan. I almost hope Corbyn wins because I want to see the wreckage of your ideology struggle to reconcile with the reality of how economics actually works. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2018 3.31pm) Everything to do with, shock horror, Central Banking policy...........because they can, and do, continually.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You're too dim to realise your own contradictions. You think you can point score with silly word play and trip up over yourself. What a delightful HB you are.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No, socialism delivered health welfare and education to everybody, before you may simply have been excluded. your life depended on whether you could pay. We should remember that in our criticism, that prior to post war labour we may have suffered adversity as most of us expect at some time, and simply been left helpless. Actually that was borrowed American money.
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Originally posted by johnno42000
What a delightful HB you are. Sorry QB I can't take your low IQ musings seriously. It's a flaw, but I'm willing to admit it. Here's a picture of a content rabbit to placate you in the meantime.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Once again you continue to ignore the GLOBAL ENERGY CRISIS of the 70's and still haven't truly grasped the real effect (the banks printing like mad!) that the end of Bretton-Woods has had on global economies since. For god sake. Callaghan agreed to huge pay rises and fueled inflation. They poured petrol on the fire. No one else is to blame for that but him and his party. All the time Labour is in the pocket of unions, the unions will affect economic policy.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Actually that was borrowed American money.
The last of the North America loan I think Gordon Brown settled it.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
For god sake. Callaghan agreed to huge pay rises and fueled inflation. They poured petrol on the fire. No one else is to blame for that but him and his party. All the time Labour is in the pocket of unions, the unions will affect economic policy. Nonsense we have had labour governments since under Blair and Brown with no such union problems at all.
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