Grew up in a manor house, never done a proper days work. Took wages for over a decade from New Labour despite being opposed to them.

Everything about him is carefully choreographed spin from his scruffy suits to his beard. The sincerity is clearly false, it’s a means to an end so he and momentum can feed each other’s egos.

Another terrible result for Labour. If you are worried about the working mans rights, get rid of him, then there may be a chance of getting an effective opposition.

We better continue undermining Britain and the majority then I guess?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Stirling you're an intelligent guy. Why do you reckon so many people are 'sleepwalking?

Could I venture that it's because beyond grand ideological concerns and conceptions of civic identity, most people in this country just want decent schools, decent hospitals, an affordable house and less crime?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Once again you spin other people's words and only succeed in making yourself look like a silly troll.

Why do you waste your intelligence on such twaddle?

Seems like he's just profited from the absolute collapse of UKIP. He's good at getting votes from people with extreme political views (kindred spirits?). He will never win the centre ground, and never win a general election. Worryingly, momentum don't even care.

You are just making a fool of yourself.

By the 'large chunk of the population being stupid', that obviously includes you.

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The majority never wanted continual EU integration...The politicians of both parties ignored them....they never had a say on it until the referendum....decades into integration far beyond the seventies remit.

So there is a truth to the 'silent majority' description purely because the majority of people aren't that political and are normally centralists.....unsurprisingly.

You could call them 'stupid' politically....though I don't regard them as stupid more as unengaged. They have that right....even if it's not in their self interest. But essentially lots of individuals think that the political process is pointless because one vote is insignificant.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I'm as guilty as any of us of indulging in knockabout posts.

There's a place for knockabout and a place for serious commentary.

We are starting to see some good left wing commentary on the site. I want to encourage that, even if I differ, because....despite what some of our critics might say. Hol isn't just for the right....it's for Palace supporters whatever their politics.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Personally I don't believe this was a great result for Labour. The next GE is 4 years away (hopefully for Brenda's sake) so it can be argued that this result will be irrelevant to all parties as a week is a long time in politics.

Where I will take issue with you is the assumption that it is only the Tories that are split over Brexit. Labour is just as divided, many MPs are Remain whilst their supporters are Brexit. Corbyn was the arch Brexiteer until he became party leader now he walks a tightrope. My guess is that he is hoping that the Tory's will complete Brexit whilst he can complain that it is not the Brexit the nation needs.

What is sadly lacking from both the Tory's and Labour is a vision of Britain post Brexit.

One final point I don't believe that Brexit was an issue in these elections, well isn't this about local government? True but UKIP were successful in making every type of election about Brexit until Cameron gave them the referendum. Despite the noises from the Remain campaign I see no appetite from the voters to change the result of the referendum. If there is this so called mass support then why no surge for the one party that is Pro EU?

The Remainers can complain all they like but until this is reflected at the polls it is just whining.

One more point

Recently? My dear boy, where have you been hiding?