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 steeleye20  Croydon 06 Nov 16 6.12pm |
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Usual threats from Nigel the man who was to afraid to come to Croydon.
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leifandersonshair  Newport 06 Nov 16 7.36pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Nige's call to arms today... "If the people of this country think that they're going to be cheated, they're going to be betrayed, then we will see political anger, the likes of which none of us in our lifetimes have ever witnessed."
Edited by Kermit8 (06 Nov 2016 4.49pm) The loon seems to be under the impression that a massive majority voted Out and are being oppressed by an elite minority. As opposed to the 52-48 split. Inviting a civil war. Madness. Was rather hoping he might go into the jungle and get bitten by a snake or something. Sadly he's apparently ruled that out.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Nov 16 8.05pm |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
The loon seems to be under the impression that a massive majority voted Out and are being oppressed by an elite minority. As opposed to the 52-48 split. Inviting a civil war. Madness. Was rather hoping he might go into the jungle and get bitten by a snake or something. Sadly he's apparently ruled that out. No need to worry. If you've seen the maps, the amount of constituencies that voted out vs the number of MPs in them that voted remain mean they will bite their lips to save their jobs. Not that I trust them to not delay it long enough to try and get a u-turn but when it's their jobs on the line they'll 'respect the referendum' result. Given half the chance they wouldn't.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 06 Nov 16 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
The loon seems to be under the impression that a massive majority voted Out and are being oppressed by an elite minority. As opposed to the 52-48 split. Inviting a civil war. Madness. Was rather hoping he might go into the jungle and get bitten by a snake or something. Sadly he's apparently ruled that out. A majority is still a majority - size doesn't matter. The hyperbole that NF is coming out with is rather silly, though. He's served his purpose; now it's time to retire quietly.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Nov 16 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by SeagullHunter
In awe that the pound had its best week since 2009 and some Brexiteers STILL think Brexit is good. The stupidity of those who still stand by their vote to leave is hilarious. We won't mind if you tell your offspring and their's you voted leave when it's appreciated.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 06 Nov 16 11.31pm |
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Originally posted by SeagullHunter
In awe that the pound had its best week since 2009 and some Brexiteers STILL think Brexit is good. The stupidity of those who still stand by their vote to leave is hilarious. Maybe we did to spite the arrogant c*nts who think we're stupid.
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| chris123 hove actually 07 Nov 16 6.56am |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
It all goes to show that as a nation we now couldn't organise a pi$$ up in a brewery. Perhaps we're better off in Europe where we're told what to do? I worked in Libreville and Port Gentil a while ago so recognise your flag. What's the problem Henry?
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Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 07 Nov 16 7.08am |
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Originally posted by chris123
I worked in Libreville and Port Gentil a while ago so recognise your flag. What's the problem Henry? Colour blindness ... I thought it was Dutch and I wanted to put two up!
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| chris123 hove actually 07 Nov 16 7.15am |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Colour blindness ... I thought it was Dutch and I wanted to put two up! No, it's very French, which is good as it means the food is normally pretty good too - so what's your problem?
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| chris123 hove actually 07 Nov 16 7.43am |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Read my post Chris. Pleased you liked Gabon ... maybe you'll go back there one day? I'm fully aware where it is and familiar with their heritage as my own Father worked there many years ago. I mean't your Brexit problem.
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| Part Time James 07 Nov 16 7.45am |
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Originally posted by SeagullHunter
In awe that the pound had its best week since 2009 and some Brexiteers STILL think Brexit is good. The stupidity of those who still stand by their vote to leave is hilarious. It's the stupidity of people on either side that believe they know for a fact what the long term outcome will be that amazes me. Why are you on this forum and not advising the Government right now if you have a crystal ball? And where were you campaigning in the lead up to the referendum? Everyone was looking for a smoking gun to help them decide. I reckon a huge number of voters were reasonably close to 50:50 when trying to make up their mind. Some of your predictions could've made a big difference.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 07 Nov 16 7.59am |
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Originally posted by SeagullHunter
In awe that the pound had its best week since 2009 and some Brexiteers STILL think Brexit is good. The stupidity of those who still stand by their vote to leave is hilarious. How has the weak pound affected you exactly?
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| silvertop Portishead 07 Nov 16 9.16am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Both campaigns were a disgrace in the referendum, so singling the Leave campaign is disingenuous. According to Remain, by now we would be living in darkness, with British civilisation collapsed in some apocalyptic mad max vision of Brexit life. Saying it is a 'Neo lib' matter is also incorrect and laughable. Both sides of the debate weaponised the economy in their positions. In fact go back to the very first post of this thread and the OP stated their case by weaponising the economy and the fallout from a Leave vote as justification for remaining. In any process like this economic matters are going to be prominent but to call it neo lib is also disingenuous. I don't recall the current government stating that austerity will be a result of Brexit, or that a round of privatisations will follow Brexit. You will no doubt state that new trade deals negotiated will be inherently neo lib but that is assumption as details of deals will not be in the public domain for years. What you are doing is the age old leftie position of 'the establishment are suppressing us'. However, the establishment were clearly backing Remain at the referendum. This result was driven by a groundswell of hatred of globalisation, EU arrogance and the dismissal of the complaints of a large section of society who are dealing and living with the results of freedom of movement. Addressing this is the problem for a heck of a lot of people. People didn't 'fall for the lies of the Leave campaign', people wanted to stick one to the ruling elite.
And while I accept that many people voted Leave who were motivated by the concerns you set out there are were un unpleasantly large number who were moved to vote for the first time ever, wholly by xenophobia. And before you jump down my throat, I have plenty of friends who are very intelligent and who voted Leave for all the "correct" reasons you state. Trouble is, had they been the only ones to vote, Brexit would have been crushed and resigned to a footnote. As inconvenient a truth as this may be, it was the worst face of this country that got you over the line. So what, you say? It will all come good in the end. The bottom scrapers will creep back under their rocks and resign themselves to self-imposed disenfranchisement. I hope you are right. However, it may be just me but Pandora's Box seems to have been opened. This country is widely considered as one of the most tolerant and accommodating. It is what makes us rich. At least it used to be. We have been caught up in a wave of international populism which has been boosted... no... enabled by the Brexit win. I for one find this deeply unsettling.
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| chris123 hove actually 07 Nov 16 9.31am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
And while I accept that many people voted Leave who were motivated by the concerns you set out there are were un unpleasantly large number who were moved to vote for the first time ever, wholly by xenophobia. And before you jump down my throat, I have plenty of friends who are very intelligent and who voted Leave for all the "correct" reasons you state. Trouble is, had they been the only ones to vote, Brexit would have been crushed and resigned to a footnote. As inconvenient a truth as this may be, it was the worst face of this country that got you over the line. So what, you say? It will all come good in the end. The bottom scrapers will creep back under their rocks and resign themselves to self-imposed disenfranchisement. I hope you are right. However, it may be just me but Pandora's Box seems to have been opened. This country is widely considered as one of the most tolerant and accommodating. It is what makes us rich. At least it used to be. We have been caught up in a wave of international populism which has been boosted... no... enabled by the Brexit win. I for one find this deeply unsettling. What proportion of the popular vote do you reckon is xenophobic and tipped the balance?
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| Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 07 Nov 16 9.34am |
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Originally posted by chris123
I mean't your Brexit problem. Still not sure what you don't understand but let me summarise briefly: Firstly, I don't have a problem with Brexit as the impact on my personal circumstances is likely to be less than most. However, I've been consistent in saying that the referendum should never have taken place, it was ill conceived and certainly badly conducted by both sides in the run in. EU membership has always been too big an issue for a simple "Yes" or "No" vote. The outcome was clearly unexpected by the establishment and is deeply divisive. There was never a plan B. Referendum was "advisory" but I don't believe the outcome should be ignored in a democracy. With all the indecision and self-interest ongoing we seem to have acutely polarised groups with not a hope of acting collectively in the national interest. There's still much to play for but all that might be lost by prevaricating. Notwithstanding all the above, we might all be better off being told what to do by the EU rather than fudging up our own destiny. Edited by Henry of Peckham (07 Nov 2016 9.37am)
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| Part Time James 07 Nov 16 9.35am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
And while I accept that many people voted Leave who were motivated by the concerns you set out there are were un unpleasantly large number who were moved to vote for the first time ever, wholly by xenophobia. And before you jump down my throat, I have plenty of friends who are very intelligent and who voted Leave for all the "correct" reasons you state. Trouble is, had they been the only ones to vote, Brexit would have been crushed and resigned to a footnote. As inconvenient a truth as this may be, it was the worst face of this country that got you over the line. So what, you say? It will all come good in the end. The bottom scrapers will creep back under their rocks and resign themselves to self-imposed disenfranchisement. I hope you are right. However, it may be just me but Pandora's Box seems to have been opened. This country is widely considered as one of the most tolerant and accommodating. It is what makes us rich. At least it used to be. We have been caught up in a wave of international populism which has been boosted... no... enabled by the Brexit win. I for one find this deeply unsettling. That is all perfectly true. I have to say though that I had a lot of friends vote Remain because they understood it to be xenophobic (or to use their phrase "racist") to vote Leave. Perhaps both sides had some deluded people amongst the intelligent masses. To what extent that would've changed the result, I couldn't begin to forecast and therefore can't use it to prove my argument, or to prove yours either. It's more than possible that for every referendum and election there will be a lot of people that didn't understand the issues and those people can't ever really be attributed to one electoral option over another without some much much deeper research than anecdotal observation of a few mates. Edited by Part Time James (07 Nov 2016 9.35am)
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