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.TUX. Flag 11 Jun 17 9.43pm

Originally posted by davidpercival

It doesn't matter who is the new leader or how slick their campaign is, the Tories have lost the argument on austerity. They have either got to hold their hands up and say that all the pain they have inflicted on Britain for the last 7 years was completely unnecessary or come back at the next election and say the same as they did in the recent one and say we have got to have public sector cuts for the next 10 years.

The Tories are on the rack and have no way of getting off it. It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of millionaires.

Osborne admitted this 'mistake' long ago.
No doubt it'll continue, and no doubt some here will still believe that the poorer in society paying for the blatantly fraudulant actions of the richer in society is fair, no matter how much it has/will continue to cost them.
Economically the world is in a far far worse position than 2008.
Buckle up.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Jun 17 9.57pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Osborne admitted this 'mistake' long ago.
No doubt it'll continue, and no doubt some here will still believe that the poorer in society paying for the blatantly fraudulant actions of the richer in society is fair, no matter how much it has/will continue to cost them.
Economically the world is in a far far worse position than 2008.
Buckle up.

One of the benefits of being rich and powerful is that you make the rules. If poor people were suddenly made rich tomorrow they would do exactly the same.

However it would be nice to have some details to flesh out your gross generalisation about the fraudulent rich.

 

Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 11 Jun 17 10.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A change for the worse is in no one's interests.

Poor Canterbury. They are now stuck with a Labour MP while all the students can just go home.

That rule really needs to change.

As opposed to them being perhaps stuck "at home" in a country market town with a paid-for Tory MP who is on the board of a private health company with a side interest in dementia care homes?

 


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Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 11 Jun 17 10.18pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Didn't Blair and 95% of the Labour Party do the same?

When does Blair break his silence? For once I want to hear.

Indeed they did. And now a few of them owe Corbyn their jobs, which is highly amusing.

I'm keen to hear Blair utter some further wisdom, as he ascends the scaffold for his war crimes.

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

.TUX. Flag 11 Jun 17 10.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

One of the benefits of being rich and powerful is that you make the rules. If poor people were suddenly made rich tomorrow they would do exactly the same.

However it would be nice to have some details to flesh out your gross generalisation about the fraudulent rich.

You'd find many if you spent far less time here.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jun 17 11.07pm

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And it came to pass, in the land of Britain, that the High Priestess went unto the people and said, Behold, I bring ye tidings of great joy. For on the eighth day of the sixth month there shall be a general election.

And the people said, Not another one.

And they waxed wroth against the High Priestess and said, Didst thou not sware, even unto seven times, that thou wouldst not call a snap election?

And the High Priestess said, I know, I know. But Brexit is come upon us, and I must go into battle against the tribes of France, Germany, and sundry other holiday destinations. And I must put on the armor of a strong majority in the people’s house. Therefore go ye out and vote.

And there came from the temple pollsters, who said, Surely this woman will flourish. For her enemy is as grass; she cutteth him down. He is as straw in the wind, and he will blow away. And the trumpet of her triumph shall sound in all the land.

And the High Priestess said, Piece of cake.

And there came from the same country a prophet, whose name was Jeremy. His beard was as the pelt of beasts, and his raiments were not of the finest. And he cried aloud in the wilderness and said, Behold, I bring you hope.

And suddenly there was with him a host of young people. And he said unto them, Ye shall study and grow wise in all things, and I shall not ask ye for gold. And the sick shall be made well, and they also will heal freely. And he promised unto them all manner of goodly things.

And the young people said unto him, How shall these things be rendered, seeing that thou hast no money in thy purse?

And he spake unto them in a voice of sounding brass and said, Soak the rich. And again, Pull down the mighty from their seats.

And the young people went absolutely nuts.

And they hearkened unto the word of Jeremy, and believed. For they said unto themselves, Lo, he bringeth unto us the desire of our hearts. He cometh by bicycle, with a helmet upon his head. And he eateth neither flesh nor fowl, according to the Scriptures. For man cannot live by bread alone, but hummus is quite another matter.

And the High Priestess saw all these things and was sore. And she gathered unto her the chief scribes and the Pharisees and said unto them, What the hell is going on?

And they said unto her, It is a blip, as if it were a rough place upon the road.

But they said unto themselves, When the government was upon her shoulders, this woman was mighty. But now that she has gone abroad unto every corner of the land, she stumbleth. For surely it is written that ruling and campaigning are as oil and water, and there shall be no concord betwixt them.

And the chief scribes wrote upon tablets, saying, Jeremy is false of tongue. He hideth wickedness in his heart. And his sums do not add up.

And nobody paid any attention.

And the elders rose up and said to the young people, If ye choose Jeremy, he will bring distress in your toils and wailing upon your streets. Do ye not remember the nineteen-seventies?

And the young people said, The what?

And the elders spake again, and said to the young people, Beware, for he gave succor in days of yore to the I.R.A.

And the young people said, The what?

And the young people said, Jeremy shall bring peace unto all nations, for he hateth the engines of war that take wing across the heavens. And he showeth respect for all peoples, even unto the transgender community.

And the elders said, The what?

And it came to pass that the heathen of this land came among the people, with fire and sword, and slew many among the faithful. And great was the lamentation.

And the High Priestess waxed exceeding wroth and said to the people, Fear not. For I shall bind your wounds and give ye shelter from the heathen, and shall take up the sword against them.

And there came again pollsters from the temple, who said, Will the people not vote for her in this hour of need?

And nobody paid any attention.

And it came to the vote.

And the elders went up to vote, and the young people. And the young people were as a multitude. And in the hours of darkness there was much counting. And the young people watched by night, and the elders went to bed.

And there came in the morning news that the High Priestess had vanquished the prophet Jeremy. But the triumph of the High Priestess was as the width of a nail. And she was vexed.

And the elders and the chief scribes and the Pharisees spoke among themselves, yea, even in the corners of their houses.

And there was great rejoicing amidst the multitude of the young. And they took strong wine, and did feast among themselves. And there were twelve baskets left over.

And of the pollsters there was no sign.

And the people saw Jeremy and said, Surely this man has won? Doth he not skip in gladness like a young hart upon the hills?

And there was great murmuring among the elders. And they said unto themselves, Weep not. For the High Priestess doth but prepare the way. Cometh there not one who is greater than she?

And they said, Behold, for the hour of the redeemer is upon us. And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the Prince of Peace. And they cried in one voice, Boris.

And the young people said, Oh, s***.

And the people gave tongue, and made supplication unto the Lord, saying, Lord, let our cry come unto thee.

And the Lord thought the whole thing was absolutely hilarious.

And then the people said, Lord, what shall we do regarding Brexit? For henceforth the High Priestess shall be as weak as a newborn lamb. How shall we hope for continued access to the single market?

And the Lord said, The what?

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Jun 17 11.17pm

Nick, the electorate probably think Corbyn is God with all the gifts forthcoming.

Shall we spin the wheels for random inflation and interest rates?

I would love to be pulled into his belief but......

I'd like to give him a short term contract and interim review like any hirer would in such a situation.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 12 Jun 17 12.34am

Same old Gusset. Nothing original. Just repeats what other say.

 


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Romford-Eagle Flag Romford 12 Jun 17 1.53am

People seem to forget why were in austerity, cos the Labour party spent all the money while they were in power, I would also change the voting system so you must be 25 to vote, this election showed that youngsters are to easily led, and not voting for what's best for the country, this should be left to the more mature electorate who know better....

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Jun 17 4.53am

Originally posted by Romford-Eagle

People seem to forget why were in austerity, cos the Labour party spent all the money while they were in power, I would also change the voting system so you must be 25 to vote, this election showed that youngsters are to easily led, and not voting for what's best for the country, this should be left to the more mature electorate who know better....

Banking crisis? Also I think you miss the point of democracy that even people who don't agree with you get a say.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Jun 17 5.01am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Perhaps the economics expert can explain how the Wall Street Crash or Black Wednesday occurred in his world of economic certainty.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Jun 2017 7.24pm)

A lack of regulation in a system that operates on self interest. Whilst planned economies don't seem to work neither do unregulated capitalist ecconomies

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 8.02am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

A lack of regulation in a system that operates on self interest. Whilst planned economies don't seem to work neither do unregulated capitalist ecconomies

Free markets work better more often. Of course there are booms and busts - that's life. Socialist economies (and highly regulated capitalist cartels like the EU) just have a continual decline into, at best, mediocrity. To think that a few economists in Whitehall or Brussels can out guess market forces is absurd, their 'plans' lumbering along in the wake of events, years out of date, until even they are forced to recognise reality and abandon them - only of course to construct a new set of magic 'answers'.

Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Jun 2017 8.15am)

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Jun 17 8.15am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Free markets work better more often. Of course there are booms and busts - that's life. Socialist economies just have a continual decline into, at best, mediocrity. To think that a few economists in Whitehall or Brussels can out guess market forces is absurd, their 'plans' lumbering along in the wake of events, years out of date, until even they are forced to recognise reality and abandon them - only of course to construct a new set of magic 'answers'.

Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Jun 2017 8.03am)

Would you call The Nordic Model far too socialist even though its results are better than the systems we have here? All that state intervention and leftist ideals? What the hell are they playing at?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Jun 17 8.28am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Free markets work better more often. Of course there are booms and busts - that's life. Socialist economies (and highly regulated capitalist cartels like the EU) just have a continual decline into, at best, mediocrity. To think that a few economists in Whitehall or Brussels can out guess market forces is absurd, their 'plans' lumbering along in the wake of events, years out of date, until even they are forced to recognise reality and abandon them - only of course to construct a new set of magic 'answers'.

Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Jun 2017 8.15am)

I think the reality lies between the two concepts. Regulation is necessary to protect markets from their own internal dangers. Any kind of system needs rules in place in order to maintain the functional purpose to which it is supposed to provide to society.

Look at the housing market - Poorly regulated and we're now in a situation where the functionality of providing accommodation to people has become seriously compromised - with costs of rent being a massive cost of living - because this market was never properly regulated as a means of providing accommodation; and instead became a profitable means of generating large revenue, without sufficient taxation and control to at least feed than income back into providing accommodation.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 12 Jun 17 8.35am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Free markets work better more often. Of course there are booms and busts - that's life. Socialist economies (and highly regulated capitalist cartels like the EU) just have a continual decline into, at best, mediocrity. To think that a few economists in Whitehall or Brussels can out guess market forces is absurd, their 'plans' lumbering along in the wake of events, years out of date, until even they are forced to recognise reality and abandon them - only of course to construct a new set of magic 'answers'.

Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Jun 2017 8.15am)

Economists don't try and put guess markets. Their interest is how best to allocate scarce resources.

If you'd rather live in the US than France then you're mad.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 8.39am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Economists don't try and put guess markets. Their interest is how best to allocate scarce resources.

If you'd rather live in the US than France then you're mad.

Certainly I'd rather live in the USA than France. Judging from the lack of Americans fleeing the USA to France, many would agree with me.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 8.47am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think the reality lies between the two concepts. Regulation is necessary to protect markets from their own internal dangers. Any kind of system needs rules in place in order to maintain the functional purpose to which it is supposed to provide to society.

Look at the housing market - Poorly regulated and we're now in a situation where the functionality of providing accommodation to people has become seriously compromised - with costs of rent being a massive cost of living - because this market was never properly regulated as a means of providing accommodation; and instead became a profitable means of generating large revenue, without sufficient taxation and control to at least feed than income back into providing accommodation.

Planning regulations, housing regulations, rental regulations, property taxes, rigged interest rates, uncontrollable immigration, all conspire together to inhibit market forces supplying demand.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 8.54am

The reshuffle was a demonstration not of strength but of weakness, Theresa May’s last feeble bid to cling to ebbing power.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 9.02am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Would you call The Nordic Model far too socialist even though its results are better than the systems we have here? All that state intervention and leftist ideals? What the hell are they playing at?

The Nordic countries are capitalist, albeit with high taxation and state regulation. Their set up is largely a result of the people and their cultural outlook, a willingness to choose to work through their political differences for what they see as the greater good of all. With the mass immigration that their governments have actively encouraged, they have a large influx of newcomers seeking to enjoy the generous public benefits, while not necessarily having a culture of making decisions on behalf of the common good - to say the least.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 12 Jun 17 9.03am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The reshuffle was a demonstration not of strength but of weakness, Theresa May’s last feeble bid to cling to ebbing power.

Very lame post even for you steeleye.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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