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southnorwoodhill 29 Jul 20 7.06pm
Originally posted by cpj A big difference was that we had about 9 less pens this season - mainly due to Zaha not taking on defenders and just passing the ball backwards most of the time. I think it's more to do with the opposition getting wise to him, doubling up, and fouling him well away from the area.

southnorwoodhill

29 Jul 20 7.06pm

Originally posted by cpj

A big difference was that we had about 9 less pens this season - mainly due to Zaha not taking on defenders and just passing the ball backwards most of the time.

I think it's more to do with the opposition getting wise to him, doubling up, and fouling him well away from the area.

cryrst The garden of England 29 Jul 20 9.09pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill I think it's more to do with the opposition getting wise to him, doubling up, and fouling him well away from the area. I think it is greatly to do with tactics. Not being backed up by the midfield so not wanting to lose the ball by running through as no one to pick it up.

cryrst

The garden of England 29 Jul 20 9.09pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I think it's more to do with the opposition getting wise to him, doubling up, and fouling him well away from the area.

I think it is greatly to do with tactics.
Not being backed up by the midfield so not wanting to lose the ball by running through as no one to pick it up.

PatrickA London 30 Jul 20 7.40am
Just read an article on Palace in The Athletic that in the past season we have scored the lowest amount of goals in any season in our 115 year history. Probably goes some way to explaining part of the dissatisfaction with Hodgson. Could he have got more goals out of this squad?

PatrickA

London 30 Jul 20 7.40am

Just read an article on Palace in The Athletic that in the past season we have scored the lowest amount of goals in any season in our 115 year history.
Probably goes some way to explaining part of the dissatisfaction with Hodgson.
Could he have got more goals out of this squad?

leejaneagles 30 Jul 20 8.32am
Originally posted by PatrickA Just read an article on Palace in The Athletic that in the past season we have scored the lowest amount of goals in any season in our 115 year history. Probably goes some way to explaining part of the dissatisfaction with Hodgson. Could he have got more goals out of this squad? Yes. Almost certainly. But so could Pardew and that would probably mean relegation. If we played Townsend, Meyer, Schlupp, Zaha, Ayew and Benteke each game we'd probably have scored on average 2-3 per game and lost on average most games 4-3. Of course we need a proper striker, that much is clear but our biggest issue is the midfield balance. We play 3 of McCarthur/McCarthy/Kouyate/Luka and they are all identical - 100% commitment, work-horses, midfield 'engine-room' or any of the other stupid terminology you can throw at them. There is no link between our relatively okay attack force and our solid defence. Sakho is our best passer of the ball, followed by PVA. This NEEDS to start being midfielders. If we can blend defensive mids and attacking mids, the majority of frustrations will go away, even if Benteke can only hit 5 or less a season, Zaha, Townsend and Ayew can probably hit way higher numbers with the right midfield behind them.

leejaneagles

30 Jul 20 8.32am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Yes. Almost certainly.

But so could Pardew and that would probably mean relegation.

If we played Townsend, Meyer, Schlupp, Zaha, Ayew and Benteke each game we'd probably have scored on average 2-3 per game and lost on average most games 4-3.

Of course we need a proper striker, that much is clear but our biggest issue is the midfield balance. We play 3 of McCarthur/McCarthy/Kouyate/Luka and they are all identical - 100% commitment, work-horses, midfield 'engine-room' or any of the other stupid terminology you can throw at them.

There is no link between our relatively okay attack force and our solid defence. Sakho is our best passer of the ball, followed by PVA. This NEEDS to start being midfielders.

If we can blend defensive mids and attacking mids, the majority of frustrations will go away, even if Benteke can only hit 5 or less a season, Zaha, Townsend and Ayew can probably hit way higher numbers with the right midfield behind them.

CrazyBadger Ware 30 Jul 20 2.16pm
Originally posted by PatrickA Just read an article on Palace in The Athletic that in the past season we have scored the lowest amount of goals in any season in our 115 year history. Probably goes some way to explaining part of the dissatisfaction with Hodgson. Could he have got more goals out of this squad? I think my dissatisfaction with Hodgson is that he hasn't even tried to get any more goals out of the squad.Or at least he's losing ideas how to get more goals. A stat earlier said that we are the only club to have survived without scoring more than 2 goals in a game. That right there is Roy's Strength - defensive organisation, so we've been able to pick up points by not scoring much. problem is that for all your defensive resolve, you can't win a game without scoring goals - so he needs to find a way to do it, or simple defensive resolve won't be enough. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 30 Jul 20 2.16pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

I think my dissatisfaction with Hodgson is that he hasn't even tried to get any more goals out of the squad.Or at least he's losing ideas how to get more goals.
A stat earlier said that we are the only club to have survived without scoring more than 2 goals in a game. That right there is Roy's Strength - defensive organisation, so we've been able to pick up points by not scoring much.
problem is that for all your defensive resolve, you can't win a game without scoring goals - so he needs to find a way to do it, or simple defensive resolve won't be enough.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

A1969Eagle Redhill 31 Jul 20 1.29am
Remember this from last September? [Link]

A1969Eagle

Redhill 31 Jul 20 1.29am

Remember this from last September?

[Link]

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 31 Jul 20 12.09pm
Originally posted by A1969Eagle Remember this from last September? [Link] Written by an 18 year old university student Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 31 Jul 20 12.09pm

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

Remember this from last September?

[Link]

Written by an 18 year old university student

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Ian-VI Vicenza 31 Jul 20 12.31pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Written by an 18 year old university student LOL they would resort to anyone, even housewives... (with all due respect to housewives) Edited by Ian-VI (31 Jul 2020 12.32pm) The best footie management game: [Link]

Ian-VI

Vicenza 31 Jul 20 12.31pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Written by an 18 year old university student

LOL they would resort to anyone, even housewives... (with all due respect to housewives)

Edited by Ian-VI (31 Jul 2020 12.32pm)

The best footie management game: [Link]

Eaglecoops CR3 31 Jul 20 12.46pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Written by an 18 year old university student TBF he had probably researched it, rather than just making stuff up which most reporters tend to.

Eaglecoops

CR3 31 Jul 20 12.46pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Written by an 18 year old university student

TBF he had probably researched it, rather than just making stuff up which most reporters tend to.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 31 Jul 20 1.07pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops TBF he had probably researched it, rather than just making stuff up which most reporters tend to. Better informed than most journos, it's true. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 31 Jul 20 1.07pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

TBF he had probably researched it, rather than just making stuff up which most reporters tend to.

Better informed than most journos, it's true.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 31 Jul 20 3.32pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Better informed than most journos, it's true. And that, sadly, is not saying much these days. Welcome back from Barnard Castle, by the way.

palace_in_frogland

In a broken dream 31 Jul 20 3.32pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Better informed than most journos, it's true.

And that, sadly, is not saying much these days.

Welcome back from Barnard Castle, by the way.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 Aug 20 1.45pm
Originally posted by palace_in_frogland And that, sadly, is not saying much these days. Welcome back from Barnard Castle, by the way. I've moved. The optician was shut. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 01 Aug 20 1.45pm

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

And that, sadly, is not saying much these days.

Welcome back from Barnard Castle, by the way.

I've moved. The optician was shut.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Palace in the Blood 01 Aug 20 3.12pm
Whilst I don't think Roy is blameless I feel the answers may lie far deeper. We have had a number of managers since we got back in Premiership and Roy is the only one to have had an extended stay. 2 managers have jumped We have never had a consistent striker in Premiership yet over the years we have bought and rejected a few. Those that have been reasonable for a period then seem to lose their way. The question is Why? I may be wrong and this may be an unpopular view but I think the way we have used Zaha may be the key. He is a winger not a striker and while a player of his flair needs to be given some freedom at times this has been too great and this has effected the team as a whole. Benteke has two strengths his heading ability and his ability to hold the ball and lay it off to another. He is not getting enough accurate crosses to his head and he is too often isolated with no one to lay off to. Also his confidence is now rock bottom. I wonder if Allerdyce or Pullis were the manager would we be any different? I think our wingers would be forced into crossing more and this may have led to more goals. Roy's teams are always built from defence with a strong hard working midfield. Until the last few games of the season this worked at least in terms of points and league position. Then we got injuries and age of squad started to show

Palace in the Blood

01 Aug 20 3.12pm

Whilst I don't think Roy is blameless I feel the answers may lie far deeper.

We have had a number of managers since we got back in Premiership and Roy is the only one to have had an extended stay. 2 managers have jumped

We have never had a consistent striker in Premiership yet over the years we have bought and rejected a few. Those that have been reasonable for a period then seem to lose their way.

The question is Why?

I may be wrong and this may be an unpopular view but I think the way we have used Zaha may be the key. He is a winger not a striker and while a player of his flair needs to be given some freedom at times this has been too great and this has effected the team as a whole.

Benteke has two strengths his heading ability and his ability to hold the ball and lay it off to another. He is not getting enough accurate crosses to his head and he is too often isolated with no one to lay off to. Also his confidence is now rock bottom.

I wonder if Allerdyce or Pullis were the manager would we be any different? I think our wingers would be forced into crossing more and this may have led to more goals.

Roy's teams are always built from defence with a strong hard working midfield. Until the last few games of the season this worked at least in terms of points and league position. Then we got injuries and age of squad started to show

southnorwoodhill 01 Aug 20 3.52pm
The first four games of the new season will be critical: it's not like Parish, Hodgson or anyone else cannot see the warning signs and feign surprise. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

southnorwoodhill

01 Aug 20 3.52pm

The first four games of the new season will be critical: it's not like Parish, Hodgson or anyone else cannot see the warning signs and feign surprise. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Aug 20 4.07pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill The first four games of the new season will be critical: it's not like Parish, Hodgson or anyone else cannot see the warning signs and feign surprise. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Yes, although our opening fixtures will be relevant. Two or three top teams and it may take longer to determine how things are likely to pan out before determining on whether or not to make a change.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Aug 20 4.07pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

The first four games of the new season will be critical: it's not like Parish, Hodgson or anyone else cannot see the warning signs and feign surprise. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Yes, although our opening fixtures will be relevant. Two or three top teams and it may take longer to determine how things are likely to pan out before determining on whether or not to make a change.

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Aug 20 10.50pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I've moved. The optician was shut. Say hello to the thin white duke if you happen upon him please. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Stoke sub normal 01 Aug 20 10.50pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I've moved. The optician was shut.

Say hello to the thin white duke if you happen upon him please.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Aug 20 2.40pm
[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3546632] Say hello to the thin white duke if you happen upon him please. Ah, Tim. How nice it is to be surrounded by men of culture. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 02 Aug 20 2.40pm

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3546632]

Say hello to the thin white duke if you happen upon him please.

Ah, Tim. How nice it is to be surrounded by men of culture.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 02 Aug 20 3.10pm
It’s not “scapegoating” to be critical of Roy. He has done well keeping us up and I very much respect him for that - we have played well at times. I think there are some characteristics in particular that are a consistent source of frustration for me (and others). Primarily the reluctance to change when things aren’t working. (70th minutes sub followed by another one after 80 minutes after the game is beyond us is a theme). There was no better illustration of this than the last 8 fixtures. He regularly commented on how tired the players were - yet barely called upon the bench or youth players, We’ve been crying out for a creative Midfielder to pick a pass or slide a through ball in yet Max /Kirby/other youths players never even got a start? The whole left footed RW and right footed LW is SO predictable to defend and isn’t remotely effective- yet week after week he continues with it. The same can be said for the formation. We can all debate this without “scapegoating” Roy they are legitimate observations about what we’ve been watching. Anyone keeping us in the division deserves our gratitude and respect . Roy has mine.

Elphers40

Sunny South Coast 02 Aug 20 3.10pm

It’s not “scapegoating” to be critical of Roy.
He has done well keeping us up and I very much respect him for that - we have played well at times.
I think there are some characteristics in particular that are a consistent source of frustration for me (and others).
Primarily the reluctance to change when things aren’t working. (70th minutes sub followed by another one after 80 minutes after the game is beyond us is a theme). There was no better illustration of this than the last 8 fixtures.
He regularly commented on how tired the players were - yet barely called upon the bench or youth players,
We’ve been crying out for a creative Midfielder to pick a pass or slide a through ball in yet Max /Kirby/other youths players never even got a start?
The whole left footed RW and right footed LW is SO predictable to defend and isn’t remotely effective- yet week after week he continues with it. The same can be said for the formation.

We can all debate this without “scapegoating” Roy they are legitimate observations about what we’ve been watching. Anyone keeping us in the division deserves our gratitude and respect . Roy has mine.

Gary St.Andrews Kenley 02 Aug 20 5.27pm
Roy needs some money to get us in shape for next season and he needs it now! We haven’t got the time to dick about now like we normally do, and we need to make sure we are in a better position than the 3 teams coming up from the Premiership, if we don’t we will be certainties to go down. A spend of 8 million in 3 seasons is a complete joke...

Gary St.Andrews

Kenley 02 Aug 20 5.27pm

Roy needs some money to get us in shape for next season and he needs it now!

We haven’t got the time to dick about now like we normally do, and we need to make sure we are in a better position than the 3 teams coming up from the Premiership, if we don’t we will be certainties to go down.

A spend of 8 million in 3 seasons is a complete joke...

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 20 8.35pm
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews Roy needs some money to get us in shape for next season and he needs it now! We haven’t got the time to dick about now like we normally do, and we need to make sure we are in a better position than the 3 teams coming up from the Premiership, if we don’t we will be certainties to go down. A spend of 8 million in 3 seasons is a complete joke... I wouldn't get my hopes up. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 20 8.35pm

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Roy needs some money to get us in shape for next season and he needs it now!

A spend of 8 million in 3 seasons is a complete joke...

I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Red and Blue Army!

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