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steve1984 30 Dec 18 8.23pm
The ones that leave some evidence (but I think that useful is probably the opposite of useless). Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 8.24pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 8.23pm

The ones that leave some evidence (but I think that useful is probably the opposite of useless).

Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 8.24pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 8.26pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays ....and I'm definitely a critic of the amount of criticism Corbyn has received....though he himself is just as bad if not worse. Though whilst I'm on the subject of carefully chosen words and without it being a defense of the idiot, what is he just as bad if not worse at?

steve1984 30 Dec 18 8.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

....and I'm definitely a critic of the amount of criticism Corbyn has received....though he himself is just as bad if not worse.

Though whilst I'm on the subject of carefully chosen words and without it being a defense of the idiot, what is he just as bad if not worse at?

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 9.19pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Though whilst I'm on the subject of carefully chosen words and without it being a defense of the idiot, what is he just as bad if not worse at? Accusing people of 'isms'....denouncing this, denouncing that. He's part of the same 'witch hunt' type behaviour. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 9.19pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Though whilst I'm on the subject of carefully chosen words and without it being a defense of the idiot, what is he just as bad if not worse at?

Accusing people of 'isms'....denouncing this, denouncing that. He's part of the same 'witch hunt' type behaviour.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 9.21pm
Originally posted by steve1984 The ones that leave some evidence (but I think that useful is probably the opposite of useless). Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 8.24pm) So effective anti semites leave evidence that they are anti semites? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 9.21pm

Originally posted by steve1984

The ones that leave some evidence (but I think that useful is probably the opposite of useless).

Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 8.24pm)

So effective anti semites leave evidence that they are anti semites?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So effective anti semites leave evidence that they are anti semites? Well I guess you might struggle to name any that haven't. But I'll be extremely impressed if you can name any anti-Semites who haven't. Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 9.29pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So effective anti semites leave evidence that they are anti semites?

Well I guess you might struggle to name any that haven't.

But I'll be extremely impressed if you can name any anti-Semites who haven't.

Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 9.29pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Accusing people of 'isms'....denouncing this, denouncing that. He's part of the same 'witch hunt' type behaviour. Fair enough. Which -isms have particularly annoyed you? I thought that denouncing things was what a leader of the opposition was supposed to do? Denouncing Government policy etc. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a liability but it would be good to know what you think he shouldn't be denouncing.

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Accusing people of 'isms'....denouncing this, denouncing that. He's part of the same 'witch hunt' type behaviour.

Fair enough. Which -isms have particularly annoyed you? I thought that denouncing things was what a leader of the opposition was supposed to do?

Denouncing Government policy etc.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a liability but it would be good to know what you think he shouldn't be denouncing.

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 9.32pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Well I guess you might struggle to name any that haven't. Oh I know where most of the anti semites are, and so do most of the Jews......and while Corbyn is definitely anti 'zionism'...a word I'll always regarded as slightly ridiculous as it just means nationalism....he's not the main reason the Jewish population has been in a long term decline in this country. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 9.32pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Well I guess you might struggle to name any that haven't.

Oh I know where most of the anti semites are, and so do most of the Jews......and while Corbyn is definitely anti 'zionism'...a word I'll always regarded as slightly ridiculous as it just means nationalism....he's not the main reason the Jewish population has been in a long term decline in this country.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 9.37pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Fair enough. Which -isms have particularly annoyed you? I thought that denouncing things was what a leader of the opposition was supposed to do? Denouncing Government policy etc. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a liability but it would be good to know what you think he shouldn't be denouncing. Governmental policy....yeah...though just because you're called the opposition you don't have to automatically disagree on everything of course....Bipartisanship seems to be a dirty concept nowadays. Racism and sexism are the major bugbears with me.....they are vastly overstated. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2018 9.40pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 9.37pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Fair enough. Which -isms have particularly annoyed you? I thought that denouncing things was what a leader of the opposition was supposed to do?

Denouncing Government policy etc.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a liability but it would be good to know what you think he shouldn't be denouncing.

Governmental policy....yeah...though just because you're called the opposition you don't have to automatically disagree on everything of course....Bipartisanship seems to be a dirty concept nowadays.

Racism and sexism are the major bugbears with me.....they are vastly overstated.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2018 9.40pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.47pm
So before moving on, I assume that you haven't been able to think of any anti-Semites that didn't leave evidence of their anti-Semitism. IMHO anti-Zionism is a very misleading label. Nobody seems to give a s*** about Bob Marley's belief in Zionism, which could be taken to mean that it isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. It's how you go home that is the issue, not the simple desire to do so. I'd prefer to describe Corbyn as being against the policies of the Israeli government. I would agree that he has absolutely nothing to do with the long term decline in the number of Jewish people in the UK participating in organised religion. He's only been about for a few years. Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 9.52pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.47pm

So before moving on, I assume that you haven't been able to think of any anti-Semites that didn't leave evidence of their anti-Semitism.

IMHO anti-Zionism is a very misleading label. Nobody seems to give a s*** about Bob Marley's belief in Zionism, which could be taken to mean that it isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself.

It's how you go home that is the issue, not the simple desire to do so.

I'd prefer to describe Corbyn as being against the policies of the Israeli government.

I would agree that he has absolutely nothing to do with the long term decline in the number of Jewish people in the UK participating in organised religion. He's only been about for a few years.

Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 9.52pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.51pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Racism and sexism are the major bugbears with me.....they are vastly overstated. I'm inclined to agree but then I'm also a white man. Bit like abortion which I don't take a position on 'cos it's unlikely to affect me personally.

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Racism and sexism are the major bugbears with me.....they are vastly overstated.

I'm inclined to agree but then I'm also a white man. Bit like abortion which I don't take a position on 'cos it's unlikely to affect me personally.

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 9.53pm
Originally posted by steve1984 So before moving on, I assume that you haven't been able to think of any anti-Semites that didn't leave evidence of their anti-Semitism. It's an illogical statement to begin with. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 9.53pm

Originally posted by steve1984

So before moving on, I assume that you haven't been able to think of any anti-Semites that didn't leave evidence of their anti-Semitism.

It's an illogical statement to begin with.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Oh I know where most of the anti semites are, and so do most of the Jews..... How can you be sure that you know where most of them are?

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh I know where most of the anti semites are, and so do most of the Jews.....

How can you be sure that you know where most of them are?

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.54pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's an illogical statement to begin with. Indeed. So until I see some, I'm disinclined to accuse him (or anyone else) of it.

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's an illogical statement to begin with.

Indeed. So until I see some, I'm disinclined to accuse him (or anyone else) of it.

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 9.55pm
Originally posted by steve1984 I'm inclined to agree but then I'm also a white man. Bit like abortion which I don't take a position on 'cos it's unlikely to affect me personally. Really? So stuff like affirmative action don't affect whites? 'Diversity' programmes don't affect white men? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 9.55pm

Originally posted by steve1984

I'm inclined to agree but then I'm also a white man. Bit like abortion which I don't take a position on 'cos it's unlikely to affect me personally.

Really? So stuff like affirmative action don't affect whites? 'Diversity' programmes don't affect white men?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 9.57pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Indeed. So until I see some, I'm disinclined to accuse him (or anyone else) of it. You don't see anti semitism anywhere in the UK then? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 9.57pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Indeed. So until I see some, I'm disinclined to accuse him (or anyone else) of it.

You don't see anti semitism anywhere in the UK then?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Really? So stuff like affirmative action don't affect whites? 'Diversity' programmes don't affect white men? For sure it does. But whilst I might be chasing the same job for example, I'm still quite unlikely to get pregnant. Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 10.00pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Really? So stuff like affirmative action don't affect whites? 'Diversity' programmes don't affect white men?

For sure it does. But whilst I might be chasing the same job for example, I'm still quite unlikely to get pregnant.

Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 10.00pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You don't see anti semitism anywhere in the UK then? Of course I do. Not too much fortunately. But then the amount of anything anywhere, is relative to how much there is of it somewhere else. But what does anti-Semitism in the UK have to do with Corbyn if he isn't anti-Semitic? There's no connection. Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 10.02pm)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 9.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You don't see anti semitism anywhere in the UK then?

Of course I do. Not too much fortunately. But then the amount of anything anywhere, is relative to how much there is of it somewhere else.

But what does anti-Semitism in the UK have to do with Corbyn if he isn't anti-Semitic? There's no connection.

Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 10.02pm)

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 10.02pm
Originally posted by steve1984 For sure they do. But whilst I might be chasing the same job for example, I'm still quite unlikely to get pregnant. Fair enough.....though I've always regarded concern about the latter as more of a practical small business concern rather than any insidious motive. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 10.02pm

Originally posted by steve1984

For sure they do. But whilst I might be chasing the same job for example, I'm still quite unlikely to get pregnant.

Fair enough.....though I've always regarded concern about the latter as more of a practical small business concern rather than any insidious motive.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steve1984 30 Dec 18 10.03pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Fair enough.....though I've always regarded concern about the latter as more of a practical small business concern rather than any insidious motive. Not when for example, you see evangelical male Christians accosting women outside abortion clinics in the USA it isn't.

steve1984 30 Dec 18 10.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Fair enough.....though I've always regarded concern about the latter as more of a practical small business concern rather than any insidious motive.

Not when for example, you see evangelical male Christians accosting women outside abortion clinics in the USA it isn't.

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 18 10.10pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Of course I do. Not too much fortunately. But then the amount of anything anywhere, is relative to how much there is of it somewhere else. But what does anti-Semitism in the UK have to do with Corbyn if he isn't anti-Semitic? There's no connection. Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 10.02pm) Well, like I said, the connection to Corbyn is that he's apart of the whole exaggeration regarding these terms....Yet he's currently suffering under one aspect of them.....He's getting a dose of the same medicine he's given out. As for Corbyn's position on the Israeli government....Mmmm....while I'd struggle to call Corbyn himself as anti semitic (though who truly knows) I'd definitely say that he's against the existence of the Israeli state......That he'd rather it wasn't there....Siding with their military opponents through the years is ample evidence. Mind you...the distinctions are nuanced.....and as I say he hasn't afforded others nuance through the years. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2018 10.14pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 18 10.10pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Of course I do. Not too much fortunately. But then the amount of anything anywhere, is relative to how much there is of it somewhere else.

But what does anti-Semitism in the UK have to do with Corbyn if he isn't anti-Semitic? There's no connection.

Edited by steve1984 (30 Dec 2018 10.02pm)

Well, like I said, the connection to Corbyn is that he's apart of the whole exaggeration regarding these terms....Yet he's currently suffering under one aspect of them.....He's getting a dose of the same medicine he's given out.

As for Corbyn's position on the Israeli government....Mmmm....while I'd struggle to call Corbyn himself as anti semitic (though who truly knows) I'd definitely say that he's against the existence of the Israeli state......That he'd rather it wasn't there....Siding with their military opponents through the years is ample evidence.

Mind you...the distinctions are nuanced.....and as I say he hasn't afforded others nuance through the years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2018 10.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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