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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Give it a go. You might be surprised. I wouldn’t be. Not routinely doesn’t mean never! I see enough. I also dislike programmes being interrupted by ad breaks.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Old news that the BBC must transform the way it services audiences. That's reassuring. It was the Ofcom report that was old. Improvement suggestions are always welcome and useful. The actual recommendation was to transform the way it handles complaints so that perceptions can be changed. Not that it needs to actually change its programming or standards of impartiality but to improve the understanding of them. In other words address a PR issue, not an operational one.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It was the Ofcom report that was old. Improvement suggestions are always welcome and useful. The actual recommendation was to transform the way it handles complaints so that perceptions can be changed. Not that it needs to actually change its programming or standards of impartiality but to improve the understanding of them. In other words address a PR issue, not an operational one. Six months old? Hardly ancient history.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Nigel Farage is being hammered by everyone for comments that he made on BBC last night that it was the fault of Nato and the West that Putin invaded Russia It was interesting that these were actually made by Farage several years ago whilst he was an MEP and were made years before Putin did actually start the war and it was Nick Robinson who brought it up Nick Robinson asked the question having done the research. That’s his job. Exposing the attitudes of those who seek responsibility is important. Farage’s view is not unique. It has also been stated here several times, although where the true source lies is unknown. What must be true is for anyone in the west to publicly state such an opinion is to hand Putin all the propaganda he needs in his own country to keep them onside, whilst brutally silencing any dissenting voices there. Scoring own goals is not something needed in any team.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What must be true is for anyone in the west to publicly state such an opinion is to hand Putin all the propaganda he needs in his own country to keep them onside, whilst brutally silencing any dissenting voices there. Scoring own goals is not something needed in any team. True but my point is that Farage made the comments ten years ago yet all the media screaming is if he made them yesterday
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
True but my point is that Farage made the comments ten years ago yet all the media screaming is if he made them yesterday What do you expect from the BBC? The sad thing is that Farage was right. We handed Putin an excuse to invade Ukraine with our usual meddling. I don't think people who have already decided to vote Reform will be bothered by this leftist propaganda.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nick Robinson asked the question having done the research. That’s his job. Exposing the attitudes of those who seek responsibility is important. Farage’s view is not unique. It has also been stated here several times, although where the true source lies is unknown. What must be true is for anyone in the west to publicly state such an opinion is to hand Putin all the propaganda he needs in his own country to keep them onside, whilst brutally silencing any dissenting voices there. Scoring own goals is not something needed in any team. Laughable coming from you. You support policy that does that on a daily basis.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
True but my point is that Farage made the comments ten years ago yet all the media screaming is if he made them yesterday Exactly
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Six months old? Hardly ancient history. No, but not current.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
True but my point is that Farage made the comments ten years ago yet all the media screaming is if he made them yesterday He repeated and expanded on them yesterday, when it might have been wiser to be a little more circumspect. I think that’s the point that observers are making.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What do you expect from the BBC? The sad thing is that Farage was right. We handed Putin an excuse to invade Ukraine with our usual meddling. I don't think people who have already decided to vote Reform will be bothered by this leftist propaganda. Farage is no more right on this issue than you, or anyone else who shares the opinion. For opinion is all it is, and a very controversial one at that. Other opinions are that independent sovereign nations are entitled to join both NATO and the EU if they meet the criteria and that both organisations have the right to accept applications and the duty to offer protection to such states from the threat of authoritarianism. Whether it will impact voting intentions is unknown but as Farage seems to be acquiring a Trump like Teflon coating you might be right. However, the UK electorate is generally brighter than Trump’s base. At least most of it is. Describing everything negative about your preferred candidate as “leftist propaganda” does echo some of the claims heard in the USA.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He repeated and expanded on them yesterday, when it might have been wiser to be a little more circumspect. I think that’s the point that observers are making. I've had trouble with other AI systems; they seem to pick out individual words in a statement and formulate an opinion without realising that a past tense is being used and consequently the AI thinks the statement relates to today rather than some historical aspect.
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Don't see what the issue is. Why don't the BBC put it next to the statue of Jimmy Saville.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Farage is no more right on this issue than you, or anyone else who shares the opinion. For opinion is all it is, and a very controversial one at that. Other opinions are that independent sovereign nations are entitled to join both NATO and the EU if they meet the criteria and that both organisations have the right to accept applications and the duty to offer protection to such states from the threat of authoritarianism. Whether it will impact voting intentions is unknown but as Farage seems to be acquiring a Trump like Teflon coating you might be right. However, the UK electorate is generally brighter than Trump’s base. At least most of it is. Describing everything negative about your preferred candidate as “leftist propaganda” does echo some of the claims heard in the USA. Which is exactly what I suggested. The problem comes when that country is right next to Russia, and from their point of view, threatens their security. Imagine if the Republic of Ireland or Mexico declared itself as a military ally of Russia. Putin is no friend of the West. He is a ruthless dictator who stops at nothing to maintain power. He is also a dedicated defender of Russia. Showing weakness is not sensible, but nor is poking the bear. Farage has been consistent in that message for a long time, and it turns out that he was right. We should have read the room far better. Know your enemy.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, but not current. A lot more current than lots of the rubbish repeats they put out.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Which is exactly what I suggested. The problem comes when that country is right next to Russia, and from their point of view, threatens their security. Imagine if the Republic of Ireland or Mexico declared itself as a military ally of Russia. Putin is no friend of the West. He is a ruthless dictator who stops at nothing to maintain power. He is also a dedicated defender of Russia. Showing weakness is not sensible, but nor is poking the bear. Farage has been consistent in that message for a long time, and it turns out that he was right. We should have read the room far better. Know your enemy. I have no doubt at all that we “read the room”! Our intelligence services are pretty good at that kind of thing. They would know what Putin’s likely reaction would be and how he would control public opinion within Russia. So why did we allow the former Soviet Bloc countries to apply to join both NATO and the EU? This is my personal analysis. You either have and defend principles or you don’t. The West either embraces those who aspire to adopt their values or they effectively hand them back to a Russia who under Putin has made no secret of his regret and anger over the collapse of the USSR. The line has been drawn again. Ukraine were unlucky. That line fell to their west so Putin wasn’t restrained by it. As a consequence the best we could do was support them with equipment, aid, and encouragement to ensure that Putin could not just walk in, but suffered an expensive bloody nose. Making it much less likely he would try anything similar elsewhere anytime soon. The cost to Ukraine has been terrible but they wanted to fight. The cost to us has also been high but that’s not the calculation that matters. The calculation I suspect was made was what would have been the likely outcome if the Eastern European states had not been admitted to either NATO or the EU? Would a resurgent Russia now be a massive USSR and again be able to pose a bigger threat. Or does admission ultimately reduce that threat? I suspect we have been playing for time, for the time when Putin gets replaced and the common sense of economic cooperation once again becomes the driving force rather than hurt pride and a desire to restore the past. Ukraine will obviously lose the war. How badly and when remains to be seen. As does whether it was worth it, both for them and us. So Farage being a clever dick, and predicting this, wasn’t very clever at all, because he went public with it when the smart move would have been to keep your own counsel. I bet the front pages of the Moscow papers and all the news bulletins have his ugly mug all over them! As I said, just my own analysis.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have no doubt at all that we “read the room”! Our intelligence services are pretty good at that kind of thing. They would know what Putin’s likely reaction would be and how he would control public opinion within Russia. So why did we allow the former Soviet Bloc countries to apply to join both NATO and the EU? This is my personal analysis. You either have and defend principles or you don’t. The West either embraces those who aspire to adopt their values or they effectively hand them back to a Russia who under Putin has made no secret of his regret and anger over the collapse of the USSR. The line has been drawn again. Ukraine were unlucky. That line fell to their west so Putin wasn’t restrained by it. As a consequence the best we could do was support them with equipment, aid, and encouragement to ensure that Putin could not just walk in, but suffered an expensive bloody nose. Making it much less likely he would try anything similar elsewhere anytime soon. The cost to Ukraine has been terrible but they wanted to fight. The cost to us has also been high but that’s not the calculation that matters. The calculation I suspect was made was what would have been the likely outcome if the Eastern European states had not been admitted to either NATO or the EU? Would a resurgent Russia now be a massive USSR and again be able to pose a bigger threat. Or does admission ultimately reduce that threat? I suspect we have been playing for time, for the time when Putin gets replaced and the common sense of economic cooperation once again becomes the driving force rather than hurt pride and a desire to restore the past. Ukraine will obviously lose the war. How badly and when remains to be seen. As does whether it was worth it, both for them and us. So Farage being a clever dick, and predicting this, wasn’t very clever at all, because he went public with it when the smart move would have been to keep your own counsel. I bet the front pages of the Moscow papers and all the news bulletins have his ugly mug all over them! As I said, just my own analysis. The point is that Ukraine shoud never have been encouraged to join NATO. In fact, neutrality would have been the best solution for all parties.
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