I agree with you on this doombear. Fail to understand why so many are comparing PV to FDB. In many of the interviews with our players they have spoken highly of his vision, style, encouragement and support he's given them.

I don't recall the same level of optimism coming from the squad during the short time DeBoer was with us. If memory serves (and I accept it struggles sometimes) the atmosphere was much more downbeat.

PV needs more time and matches with a fully fit squad before any more criticism is cast his way.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

FdB lost "must win" games vs Huddersfield and Swansea at home. Plus a game where you'd expect to gain points at Burnley.

Then blamed the players.

We have exactly the amount of points most of us expected to have after the first round of games.

Burnley and Newcastle both lost winnerble game at home. It was a worse weekend for them than us.

Also he has assembled a very experienced and talented backroom staff which FdB didn’t have.

Bring back Brolin

Yep ! We should cash in our Jairo.

In fairness to this forum the vast majority of posters have adopted a mature, balanced and supportive position. Losing our first game 3-0 is naturally going to spark debate among fans on a platform specifically designed to promote debate. It doesn’t make us bad fans.

Interestingly, Danny Kelly on tonight’s show questioned PV’s decision to call for more signings. It wasn’t that he disagreed with ‘Pat’ that more players were needed, but that he came out and said so publicly.

What PV said was irresponsible unless he knows that the Club is close to signing someone OR at least that Dougie and Steve are serious enough about it to be willing to trade, say, Wilf. Would a club like Nice, say, agree to give us Dolberg provided we give them Wilf? Perhaps both clubs would be better off. (I say this as a big fan of Wilf's, yet one who worries that he may not remain happy and productive here.)

I think PV said a couple of interesting things at the weekend. Both of which he's perfectly entitled to say, and both of which I think are accurate.

The first being that the young players that he named in the squad on Saturday aren't ready for that level of football yet on a regular basis.

Second being the need to sign more players - that are ready and can immediately compete at Premier League level.

Old, Ungifted and White

PV wasn't asked about the make up of the squad, he was asked specifically about the team's performance, he instead said that new players were still needed - he could have been more tactful and mentioned that many of the new buys (and others like Eze) were unavailable or not up to speed fitness wise. So I'd agree with Danny Kelly that it was strange to emphasise lack of players when PV has been so well backed so far. There is a strong suggestion in his words that the players he has can't play the way he thinks the game should be played. I didn't seem the game but Simon Jordan tried to be diplomatic on Talksport yesterday but gave his honest view that it was the worst performance he'd seen in years from a Palace side, we lacked quality, effort and ambition acc to SJ. I'll be backing PV all the way - he needs to be given till Christmas before he is seriously judged imho, but I was a little perturbed by his comments.

In my humble opinion he was highlighting what we supporters know only too well.We are a work-in-progress, we need a facelift and there are gaps in the squad which need filling.

I applaud such honesty rather than listen to mealy-mouthed comments and hives of platitudinous gibberish swarming out.

This true - yet its still 'only' 3 new additions/ players (not inc Mattews as we'll never see him). He is right to say we still need more players. He would be a fool not to think that. We are still very short in the squad imo. People will try to make comment and find fault on everything these days.