The government misused tax payers money to spread their own prejudices about the EU vote as well via those opinion piece booklets that went to every door they could find.

I look forward to the support for that money being returned as well.

You have not answered my previous questions on why you are so enthralled with the CBI of late, when historically you have appeared to oppose them, and their members, on many matters?

Making things up. Again. It's getting a nasty habit, Matthew.

I've never mentioned the CBI ever on any thread apart from the EU.

Go on - make up a quote. I dare you.

Michael, I am not saying that and you know it,

The CBI's membership is British companies. It's role is to promote the interests of British companies. You have railed against the policies of these companies - tax efficiencies, employment practices, trading with Israel, etc., - yet you accept their pronouncements on the EU without question. Why?

I'm not disagreeing with any of that report. That sort of thing is why I nearly voted leave. So I agree with them in that respect. Sort of blows your premise out of the water. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's why Jamie Martin did, although I'm happy to be corrected.

Because not to means...

1) Workers rights' will imo be 'rolled back' as we get poorer.

>> Probably, but I don't think that being part of the EU really has done too much either for the working classes of the UK, except to expand their numbers and create greater competition for worse paid jobs.

2) Brexit will make us poorer

>> The EU doesn't prevent this though, and arguably the impact of migratory workers has already done this for a large number of people in affected jobs.

3) Security undermined and chances of future conflict between EU countries increased if it falls apart.

>> I doubt this. Even out of the EU the UK is inextricably linked through NATO and mutual joint-intelligence dependency. Whilst being out of the EU does present a greater chance, its a slight increase on an already very improbable hypothetical chance.

4) More restrictive travel and more expensive
>> This is probably going to be true, at least to some extent, in some countries. But not significantly. Pre-EU open borders et al it wasn't that expensive to do this, and it wasn't particually difficult either. It may be cheaper as countries compete for our tourism bucks (in the longer term).

5) An inward looking UK.
>> Again I'm not so sure, in some aspects and in the short term, but long term, the UK actually has to go out and forge its own links and relationships to other nations, to establish trade, and business interests - and a lot of that will probably require the UK to be more outward looking in many regards.

6) Giving 'legitimate' voice to the far right/left
>> Both have always had a legitimate voice. The idea that the far right and the far left views don't have some legitimacy in a democratic society is contradictory. Even Fascists have some reasonable points sometimes (esp about the plight of the working class and exploitation by elite groups in society).

Edited by Kermit8 (25 Nov 2016 11.10am)

We had one chance to leave the EU, in a lifetime. We have elections every four or five years. I'm not going to vote in a referendum, based on the government that's currently in power.

One step at a time. The EU aren't a restraint on the Conservative government, any more than they were on the last Labour government.

As I've informed you before. We have only had a conservative government for one and a half years since 1997.

As I've informed you before. We have only had a conservative government for one and a half years since 1997.