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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 07 Apr 21 9.30pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild One pundit (Leon Osman) made the obvious point the other night when he said that if Palace are focusing on developing the squad for the future then that takes four or five years and you don't employ a 73-year-old man to oversee that realistically. I think he'll go as we haven't heard any positive noises to suggest otherwise from the club or the manager, and Roy's demeanour increasingly whiffs of one who is heading to the gallows. Indeed, Roy is not staying.

Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 07 Apr 21 9.30pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

One pundit (Leon Osman) made the obvious point the other night when he said that if Palace are focusing on developing the squad for the future then that takes four or five years and you don't employ a 73-year-old man to oversee that realistically. I think he'll go as we haven't heard any positive noises to suggest otherwise from the club or the manager, and Roy's demeanour increasingly whiffs of one who is heading to the gallows.

Indeed, Roy is not staying.

Vaibow vancouver/croydon 08 Apr 21 6.45am
Roy is not the future.... he never really was... he was a stop gap manager to hold the line and the budget... it's that simple. Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty. I feel a champ level manager with potential should be considered for us. I also think we should totally restructure ourselves and Parish should come out and say it. For instance, a yo yo club doesn't break the bank to get promoted from the champ, they don't break the bank to stay in the league either. They get in the prem, have a couple of years, collecting the money, go down, have another go, you get an exciting season then back in the big league. I feel for us, we should look at the league as split in two. Top ten, bottom ten. Top ten you got your united, cities, Chelseas etc they all spend big, as the reward is bigger, the demand is bigger. For us, we should look at it as 11th is top of our league with the added bonus of a cup run. We should be 16th/17th in terms of wages, bringing in exciting youth, a stepping stone for champ players to prove their worth and we should be having fun seasons where we get to 40 points comfortably and then focus on the cups after xmas. We should not be held hostage to this league and be terrified of going down... relegation should not be the end of the world, that just shows piss poor club management. do I want us to be a yoyo club, no... do I want us spending big bucks... nope. Do I want some excitement, 100%. This was once a quality forum....

Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 08 Apr 21 6.45am

Roy is not the future.... he never really was... he was a stop gap manager to hold the line and the budget... it's that simple.

Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty.

I feel a champ level manager with potential should be considered for us.

I also think we should totally restructure ourselves and Parish should come out and say it.

For instance, a yo yo club doesn't break the bank to get promoted from the champ, they don't break the bank to stay in the league either. They get in the prem, have a couple of years, collecting the money, go down, have another go, you get an exciting season then back in the big league.

I feel for us, we should look at the league as split in two. Top ten, bottom ten. Top ten you got your united, cities, Chelseas etc they all spend big, as the reward is bigger, the demand is bigger.
For us, we should look at it as 11th is top of our league with the added bonus of a cup run. We should be 16th/17th in terms of wages, bringing in exciting youth, a stepping stone for champ players to prove their worth and we should be having fun seasons where we get to 40 points comfortably and then focus on the cups after xmas.

We should not be held hostage to this league and be terrified of going down... relegation should not be the end of the world, that just shows piss poor club management.

do I want us to be a yoyo club, no... do I want us spending big bucks... nope. Do I want some excitement, 100%.

This was once a quality forum....

Badger11 Beckenham 08 Apr 21 7.15am
Media today reporting that Howe is not close to signing for anyone and that he will decide post season. Take that as you like. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 08 Apr 21 7.15am

Media today reporting that Howe is not close to signing for anyone and that he will decide post season.

Take that as you like.

One more point

Midlands Eagle 08 Apr 21 7.21am
Originally posted by Vaibow Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty. So did Roy at his first job in the top division as he was sacked by Blackburn when they were bottom of the league. Intriguingly the decision on who will replace Roy will be made in part by someone who has failed dismally at management in the Championship having been sacked (or mutually consented) from Bolton and Notts Forest

Midlands Eagle

08 Apr 21 7.21am

Originally posted by Vaibow

Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty.

So did Roy at his first job in the top division as he was sacked by Blackburn when they were bottom of the league.

Intriguingly the decision on who will replace Roy will be made in part by someone who has failed dismally at management in the Championship having been sacked (or mutually consented) from Bolton and Notts Forest

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 08 Apr 21 8.21am
I think there will be missive changes this summer, New manager Probably Howe, Zaha will leave, as will Benteke, Dann, Ward, Cahill. Sakho, PVA and Wickham, possibly the American's replaced by new buyers, a big gamble but Roy is too old to manager a complete rebuild. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 08 Apr 21 8.21am

I think there will be missive changes this summer, New manager Probably Howe, Zaha will leave, as will Benteke, Dann, Ward, Cahill. Sakho, PVA and Wickham, possibly the American's replaced by new buyers, a big gamble but Roy is too old to manager a complete rebuild.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Phil’s Barber Crowborough 08 Apr 21 8.39am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad I think there will be missive changes this summer, New manager Probably Howe, Zaha will leave, as will Benteke, Dann, Ward, Cahill. Sakho, PVA and Wickham, possibly the American's replaced by new buyers, a big gamble but Roy is too old to manager a complete rebuild. I’d love to keep Cahill. Senior pro, potential cover at Centre Back and with his ability and experience, surely a great defensive coach. He comes across so well in interviews, intelligent, sharp and a good communicator. He will surely go on to do his coaching badges and be part of a top management team in time?

Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 08 Apr 21 8.39am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I’d love to keep Cahill. Senior pro, potential cover at Centre Back and with his ability and experience, surely a great defensive coach. He comes across so well in interviews, intelligent, sharp and a good communicator. He will surely go on to do his coaching badges and be part of a top management team in time?

Phil’s Barber Crowborough 08 Apr 21 8.48am
I imagine the new manager will get to work with Wilf too as I really don’t see another team stumping up the transfer fee and wages we and he will demand. He’s another year older, has lost his electrifying pace and his ‘threat’ was completely nullified in our most recent game against the Toffees, one of the teams allegedly interested in him. There are better, cheaper and younger alternatives for the money so for those reasons I see him staying with us for the start of next season.

Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 08 Apr 21 8.48am

I imagine the new manager will get to work with Wilf too as I really don’t see another team stumping up the transfer fee and wages we and he will demand. He’s another year older, has lost his electrifying pace and his ‘threat’ was completely nullified in our most recent game against the Toffees, one of the teams allegedly interested in him.

There are better, cheaper and younger alternatives for the money so for those reasons I see him staying with us for the start of next season.

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 08 Apr 21 9.46am
Originally posted by Phil’s Barber I imagine the new manager will get to work with Wilf too as I really don’t see another team stumping up the transfer fee and wages we and he will demand. He’s another year older, has lost his electrifying pace and his ‘threat’ was completely nullified in our most recent game against the Toffees, one of the teams allegedly interested in him. There are better, cheaper and younger alternatives for the money so for those reasons I see him staying with us for the start of next season. He only has two years left on his contract at the end of this season, so if we don't sell him then or extend his contract he will walk away in two years for nothing, i cannot see Parish letting that happen “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 08 Apr 21 9.46am

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

There are better, cheaper and younger alternatives for the money so for those reasons I see him staying with us for the start of next season.

He only has two years left on his contract at the end of this season, so if we don't sell him then or extend his contract he will walk away in two years for nothing, i cannot see Parish letting that happen

AERO 08 Apr 21 10.07am
Personally think if Wilf does not leave at the end of season he and us will have missed the boat ! Regarding him getting a big move and us getting a big fee .

AERO

08 Apr 21 10.07am

Personally think if Wilf does not leave at the end of season he and us will have missed the boat ! Regarding him getting a big move and us getting a big fee .

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Apr 21 10.18am
Originally posted by Badger11 Media today reporting that Howe is not close to signing for anyone and that he will decide post season. Take that as you like. Indeed, saw this click-bait from the Daily FAIL, read it & you'll see what i mean. [Link] This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Apr 21 10.18am

Originally posted by Badger11

Media today reporting that Howe is not close to signing for anyone and that he will decide post season.

Take that as you like.

Indeed, saw this click-bait from the Daily FAIL, read it & you'll see what i mean.

[Link]

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

YT Oxford 08 Apr 21 10.22am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad I think there will be missive changes this summer, New manager Probably Howe, Zaha will leave, as will Benteke, Dann, Ward, Cahill. Sakho, PVA and Wickham, possibly the American's replaced by new buyers, a big gamble but Roy is too old to manager a complete rebuild. All the changes will be done by letter? Due to Covid, I guess. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 08 Apr 21 10.22am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I think there will be missive changes this summer, New manager Probably Howe, Zaha will leave, as will Benteke, Dann, Ward, Cahill. Sakho, PVA and Wickham, possibly the American's replaced by new buyers, a big gamble but Roy is too old to manager a complete rebuild.

All the changes will be done by letter? Due to Covid, I guess.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 08 Apr 21 11.37am
Originally posted by YT All the changes will be done by letter? Due to Covid, I guess. sorry “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 08 Apr 21 11.37am

Originally posted by YT

All the changes will be done by letter? Due to Covid, I guess.

sorry

Phil H 08 Apr 21 11.43am
Originally posted by Vaibow Roy is not the future.... he never really was... he was a stop gap manager to hold the line and the budget... it's that simple. Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty. I feel a champ level manager with potential should be considered for us. I also think we should totally restructure ourselves and Parish should come out and say it. For instance, a yo yo club doesn't break the bank to get promoted from the champ, they don't break the bank to stay in the league either. They get in the prem, have a couple of years, collecting the money, go down, have another go, you get an exciting season then back in the big league. I feel for us, we should look at the league as split in two. Top ten, bottom ten. Top ten you got your united, cities, Chelseas etc they all spend big, as the reward is bigger, the demand is bigger. For us, we should look at it as 11th is top of our league with the added bonus of a cup run. We should be 16th/17th in terms of wages, bringing in exciting youth, a stepping stone for champ players to prove their worth and we should be having fun seasons where we get to 40 points comfortably and then focus on the cups after xmas. We should not be held hostage to this league and be terrified of going down... relegation should not be the end of the world, that just shows piss poor club management. do I want us to be a yoyo club, no... do I want us spending big bucks... nope. Do I want some excitement, 100%. This is the best post I've read for ages. The idea of 11th being a sensible target for us is exactly how I feel. I love being in the Prem and think a strong youth policy is the answer to spending the big bucks as we can't afford it.

Phil H

08 Apr 21 11.43am

Originally posted by Vaibow

Roy is not the future.... he never really was... he was a stop gap manager to hold the line and the budget... it's that simple.

Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty.

I feel a champ level manager with potential should be considered for us.

I also think we should totally restructure ourselves and Parish should come out and say it.

We should not be held hostage to this league and be terrified of going down... relegation should not be the end of the world, that just shows piss poor club management.

do I want us to be a yoyo club, no... do I want us spending big bucks... nope. Do I want some excitement, 100%.

This is the best post I've read for ages. The idea of 11th being a sensible target for us is exactly how I feel. I love being in the Prem and think a strong youth policy is the answer to spending the big bucks as we can't afford it.

Davepalace707 Northumberland 08 Apr 21 12.03pm
Originally posted by Phil H This is the best post I've read for ages. The idea of 11th being a sensible target for us is exactly how I feel. I love being in the Prem and think a strong youth policy is the answer to spending the big bucks as we can't afford it. Being in the prem is the only place to be. But a cup run would be nice. There has rarely been any intention of trying to get past the first hurdle under Hodgson

Davepalace707

Northumberland 08 Apr 21 12.03pm

Originally posted by Phil H

Being in the prem is the only place to be. But a cup run would be nice. There has rarely been any intention of trying to get past the first hurdle under Hodgson

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Apr 21 12.08pm
Originally posted by Vaibow Roy is not the future.... he never really was... he was a stop gap manager to hold the line and the budget... it's that simple. Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty. I feel a champ level manager with potential should be considered for us. I also think we should totally restructure ourselves and Parish should come out and say it. For instance, a yo yo club doesn't break the bank to get promoted from the champ, they don't break the bank to stay in the league either. They get in the prem, have a couple of years, collecting the money, go down, have another go, you get an exciting season then back in the big league. I feel for us, we should look at the league as split in two. Top ten, bottom ten. Top ten you got your united, cities, Chelseas etc they all spend big, as the reward is bigger, the demand is bigger. For us, we should look at it as 11th is top of our league with the added bonus of a cup run. We should be 16th/17th in terms of wages, bringing in exciting youth, a stepping stone for champ players to prove their worth and we should be having fun seasons where we get to 40 points comfortably and then focus on the cups after xmas. We should not be held hostage to this league and be terrified of going down... relegation should not be the end of the world, that just shows piss poor club management. do I want us to be a yoyo club, no... do I want us spending big bucks... nope. Do I want some excitement, 100%. This is a really interesting post. It reminds me of Norwich currently. I can't help but think that their fans are having more fun than ours. I suppose our issue has mainly been the big signings - Benteke and Sakho. They didn't do that kind of thing, I also can't imagine Norwich paying the wages we do. I would be happy with the situation described. I don't like two of the mind sets we have currently. One is we need negative football to survive - Leeds are showing you don't. The other is if you have a cup run you go down, that doesn't have to happen either. I think what we lack is competition for places. With more competition for places, I'm sure we could do better. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Apr 21 12.08pm

Originally posted by Vaibow

Roy is not the future.... he never really was... he was a stop gap manager to hold the line and the budget... it's that simple.

Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty.

I feel a champ level manager with potential should be considered for us.

I also think we should totally restructure ourselves and Parish should come out and say it.

We should not be held hostage to this league and be terrified of going down... relegation should not be the end of the world, that just shows piss poor club management.

do I want us to be a yoyo club, no... do I want us spending big bucks... nope. Do I want some excitement, 100%.

This is a really interesting post. It reminds me of Norwich currently. I can't help but think that their fans are having more fun than ours.
I suppose our issue has mainly been the big signings - Benteke and Sakho. They didn't do that kind of thing, I also can't imagine Norwich paying the wages we do.
I would be happy with the situation described.
I don't like two of the mind sets we have currently. One is we need negative football to survive - Leeds are showing you don't. The other is if you have a cup run you go down, that doesn't have to happen either.
I think what we lack is competition for places. With more competition for places, I'm sure we could do better.

Red and Blue Army!

TheBigToePunt 08 Apr 21 12.15pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC This is a really interesting post. It reminds me of Norwich currently. I can't help but think that their fans are having more fun than ours. I suppose our issue has mainly been the big signings - Benteke and Sakho. They didn't do that kind of thing, I also can't imagine Norwich paying the wages we do. I would be happy with the situation described. I don't like two of the mind sets we have currently. One is we need negative football to survive - Leeds are showing you don't. The other is if you have a cup run you go down, that doesn't have to happen either. I think what we lack is competition for places. With more competition for places, I'm sure we could do better. I'm sure Norwich fans are enjoying their football right now, just like I'm sure they enjoyed it when they got promoted two years ago. On the other hand, I doubt they got much joy from getting their pants pulled down every single week last season, or that they would/will enjoy it again next season.

TheBigToePunt

08 Apr 21 12.15pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm sure Norwich fans are enjoying their football right now, just like I'm sure they enjoyed it when they got promoted two years ago.

On the other hand, I doubt they got much joy from getting their pants pulled down every single week last season, or that they would/will enjoy it again next season.

palace chick South Croydon 08 Apr 21 12.22pm
Originally posted by Vaibow Roy is not the future.... he never really was... he was a stop gap manager to hold the line and the budget... it's that simple. Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty. I feel a champ level manager with potential should be considered for us. I also think we should totally restructure ourselves and Parish should come out and say it. For instance, a yo yo club doesn't break the bank to get promoted from the champ, they don't break the bank to stay in the league either. They get in the prem, have a couple of years, collecting the money, go down, have another go, you get an exciting season then back in the big league. I feel for us, we should look at the league as split in two. Top ten, bottom ten. Top ten you got your united, cities, Chelseas etc they all spend big, as the reward is bigger, the demand is bigger. For us, we should look at it as 11th is top of our league with the added bonus of a cup run. We should be 16th/17th in terms of wages, bringing in exciting youth, a stepping stone for champ players to prove their worth and we should be having fun seasons where we get to 40 points comfortably and then focus on the cups after xmas. We should not be held hostage to this league and be terrified of going down... relegation should not be the end of the world, that just shows piss poor club management. do I want us to be a yoyo club, no... do I want us spending big bucks... nope. Do I want some excitement, 100%. Agree 100% with your post :-) Just perhaps with the big earners nearly out of contract we are now focusing on a Leeds and Norwich set up which will entertain us fans?

palace chick

South Croydon 08 Apr 21 12.22pm

Originally posted by Vaibow

Roy is not the future.... he never really was... he was a stop gap manager to hold the line and the budget... it's that simple.

Does Howe deserve a crack at the prep? Personally he should be in a champ club proving his worth, he failed at the prem in all honesty.

I feel a champ level manager with potential should be considered for us.

I also think we should totally restructure ourselves and Parish should come out and say it.

We should not be held hostage to this league and be terrified of going down... relegation should not be the end of the world, that just shows piss poor club management.

do I want us to be a yoyo club, no... do I want us spending big bucks... nope. Do I want some excitement, 100%.

Agree 100% with your post :-) Just perhaps with the big earners nearly out of contract we are now focusing on a Leeds and Norwich set up which will entertain us fans?

Midlands Eagle 08 Apr 21 12.37pm
Originally posted by Davepalace707 Being in the prem is the only place to be. But a cup run would be nice. There has rarely been any intention of trying to get past the first hurdle under Hodgson One has to feel sorry for Hodgson at times as half of the fans complain that he doesn't intend to win cup games and the other half want to use the cup to experiment with youngsters in the side. Poor bloke can't win

Midlands Eagle

08 Apr 21 12.37pm

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Being in the prem is the only place to be. But a cup run would be nice. There has rarely been any intention of trying to get past the first hurdle under Hodgson

One has to feel sorry for Hodgson at times as half of the fans complain that he doesn't intend to win cup games and the other half want to use the cup to experiment with youngsters in the side.

Poor bloke can't win

Davepalace707 Northumberland 08 Apr 21 12.55pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle One has to feel sorry for Hodgson at times as half of the fans complain that he doesn't intend to win cup games and the other half want to use the cup to experiment with youngsters in the side. Poor bloke can't win Presumably then you got no enjoyment whatsoever out of our cup runs under Pardew and are quite happy to go out to Colchester, Derby etc., or to our trouncing by Wolves. Must be a joy for the youngsters / squad players who can’t get in the first team to play in those games.

Davepalace707

Northumberland 08 Apr 21 12.55pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

One has to feel sorry for Hodgson at times as half of the fans complain that he doesn't intend to win cup games and the other half want to use the cup to experiment with youngsters in the side.

Poor bloke can't win

Presumably then you got no enjoyment whatsoever out of our cup runs under Pardew and are quite happy to go out to Colchester, Derby etc., or to our trouncing by Wolves. Must be a joy for the youngsters / squad players who can’t get in the first team to play in those games.

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 08 Apr 21 2.19pm
Originally posted by Davepalace707 Presumably then you got no enjoyment whatsoever out of our cup runs under Pardew and are quite happy to go out to Colchester, Derby etc., or to our trouncing by Wolves. Must be a joy for the youngsters / squad players who can’t get in the first team to play in those games. I doubt your sarcasm adds anything to the debate. As I recall we did make a QF in the F A Cup under Hodgson which included a win over Spurs. Of course, the players were 2/3 years younger than they are now and generally less injury prone (apart from Wickham , of course). The question for the club owners is: How much money does a cup run bring in as opposed to how much does another season in the PL bring in? I suggest the answer is a no-brainer and that Hodgson is simply managing the diminishing player resources to achieve what Parish and Co probably see is the Holy Grail - another PL season. We fans can either like it or lump it. I genuinely believe that things will improve and that there will be future cup runs in the not too distant future, but first we need to address our ageing squad dilemma, and that will take more than a transfer window or three.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 08 Apr 21 2.19pm

Originally posted by Davepalace707

I doubt your sarcasm adds anything to the debate. As I recall we did make a QF in the F A Cup under Hodgson which included a win over Spurs. Of course, the players were 2/3 years younger than they are now and generally less injury prone (apart from Wickham , of course).

The question for the club owners is: How much money does a cup run bring in as opposed to how much does another season in the PL bring in? I suggest the answer is a no-brainer and that Hodgson is simply managing the diminishing player resources to achieve what Parish and Co probably see is the Holy Grail - another PL season.

We fans can either like it or lump it. I genuinely believe that things will improve and that there will be future cup runs in the not too distant future, but first we need to address our ageing squad dilemma, and that will take more than a transfer window or three.

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