If it was White British raping Asian girls the issue would be with the abhorent cultural traditions and social mores than DNA or religion; often associated with the lower classes rather than an ethnic group.

It does not excuse either group from being vile evil ...insert any words you want.... cunds.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

I totally agree with those sentiments,But it would in all the news/Papers as rascist attacks.
And that is what I am trying to get across.
I do not care what colour the victims are it's a vile crime and WHO ever commits it needs hanging.
And as I said earlier in the thread god forbid anything like that happened to either of my Daughters,I would go to prison for life.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

I'd respond to this as I always do. In a country where 85% of the population are snow white, it's hardly a surprise that there are white rapists. It's such a daft comparison, not to mention tasteless. pakistanis make up what percentage of the population ?
If we are going to play rapist top trumps then at least keep it sensible. What we want is the truth and a way to prevent similar occurrences.

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Edited by bilbo (11 Nov 2015 8.03pm)

Their race in mainstream media isn't highlighted due to the number of crimes, it's mentioned because they are 'different to us'. You get the same with other minority groups. Only the other week there was a negative story "Lesbian couple harm daughter!!". We don't get "heterosexual couple commit crime" stories and it's hardly like there's an epidemic of lesbian crime!

These are all biases that go unnoticed, which is why we just need to enforce the law for all, avoiding those on the left who think 'we can't be seen to be racist so will turn a blind eye to crime' and those on the right who are determined to make everything about the race or religion rather than the criminals at hand. It's a difficult balance and not an exercise in airing discomfort at people different from yourself. We do not need to get forensic about yet another minority group, something you appear to be very fond of.

5% of the population (male AND female) are muslim. Let's say 3% of the population is muslim male.

12% of the prison population serving time for rape are Muslim.

As a demographic, are they over-represented in prison? If so, why?

Source: FOI request, 2014.

Another stat for you: Men commit much more crime than women. Where are the threads saying 'what's the problem with men?'. How do we solve the 'male crime problem' and so on. It would be ludicrous and of course it doesn't fit this us vs them, stone casting idea that many are preoccupied with here. If you commit a crime you are accountable for it, if you don't you aren't. I don't need to take the blame for what another man does.

My point is that we only fixate on minority groups that we're not part of and in doing so we don't actually help or change anything and possibly make things worse. It is very clear that some on here allow their thinking about whole groups to be negatively and unfairly altered by things like this. Treat people as you find them I say, as individual people.

Edited by bilbo (11 Nov 2015 8.47pm)

Hmmm. Not so wooshed after all.

I was wondering if the proportion of convicted rapists was disproportionate to the population and it clearly is according to this data. 4 times more common.

Stand by for Bilbo to tell me that stats mean nothing and it's all a figment of our prejudiced minds.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Nov 2015 9.03pm)

If that's what the stats are then that's what they are. What changes? If someone rapes someone arrest them and lock them up.. If they don't, don't. Do you really need to be up in arms about 'pakistanis' or 'black's as a result of it? No.

When you say "More pakistani Muslims raping under age White girls." innocent people within that demographic feel like they are under the spotlight, because it's a sweeping commentary. If someone said "suprise, suprise, another white man being bigoted" on account that some no doubt are (like any race) they would be rounded on as a racist.

My point is that emphasis on the type of person commiting a crime is not solely aligned to how much of a threat they are or a noteable fact worth upsetting innocent people about. It's because they are deemed 'not like us'. Like I said before that's also why if a lesbian commits a crime that'll often be highlighted in the title, whereas the same wouldn't be true of a straight person. There wasn't a lesbian crime epedemic last time I checked.

Edited by bilbo (11 Nov 2015 10.14pm)

That comment is emotive and has nothing to do with stats.

It's little different to saying that if a white person rapes you it's reasonable to develop a issue with whites. That may happen but that doesn't actually mean anything with relation to how it should be treated by society and law. By your logic because many more women are raped by white men overall there should be more women in society specifically attacking white men due to the rape issue. That of course would be a pointless overemphasis on race too.

Another stat. The demographic 'Men' commit the vast majority of rapes. You know, like your stat that black people commit the majority of violent crime. So why don't you care about that stat? Where's that thread and your insightful observations about men and rape? What's your fixation with excusing any group you are part of and burrowing down to the first stat that hits a minority you feel uncomfortable around?

Edited by bilbo (12 Nov 2015 2.13am)