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Matov 12 Jul 21 8.41am
Originally posted by HKOwen I pray for Rayner, Butler or any of the Corbynista typs to lead Labour in to the next election. Russell-Moye also my approval. Any of the Socialist Campaign Group would do. Butler would be serious LOLZ. Far more amusing than Corbyn who did at least have a modicum of intellectual steel to him. But it wont. Ever. Issue for Labour is that outside of Rayner and Burnham, then who else is there? Nandy maybe, and with at least the benefit of being a critical voice around Labours second referendum stance in 2019? For me Rayner is the only rational option purely because of her Trade Union backing. That financial muscle counts a lot at the moment and would be enough to swing it. But I suspect Starmer is not going anywhere. Scrapping through in the by-election bought him time. Question is does he now move against the Left? As things stand, Labour is at best going to tread water. Not necessarily a bad thing for the rest of this summer because of Covid and so on but come September when the 'Game' is meant to kick off again, it has to start making some serious inroads. As things stand it seems to be always on the wrong side of public opinion. Labours primary problem is its own membership. Deluded t***s, in the main. And who will keep it mired in the merde. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Jul 21 8.41am

Originally posted by HKOwen

I pray for Rayner, Butler or any of the Corbynista typs to lead Labour in to the next election. Russell-Moye also my approval. Any of the Socialist Campaign Group would do.

Butler would be serious LOLZ. Far more amusing than Corbyn who did at least have a modicum of intellectual steel to him. But it wont. Ever.

Issue for Labour is that outside of Rayner and Burnham, then who else is there? Nandy maybe, and with at least the benefit of being a critical voice around Labours second referendum stance in 2019?

For me Rayner is the only rational option purely because of her Trade Union backing. That financial muscle counts a lot at the moment and would be enough to swing it.

But I suspect Starmer is not going anywhere. Scrapping through in the by-election bought him time. Question is does he now move against the Left?

As things stand, Labour is at best going to tread water. Not necessarily a bad thing for the rest of this summer because of Covid and so on but come September when the 'Game' is meant to kick off again, it has to start making some serious inroads. As things stand it seems to be always on the wrong side of public opinion.

Labours primary problem is its own membership. Deluded t***s, in the main. And who will keep it mired in the merde.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

BlueJay UK 12 Jul 21 2.42pm
Originally posted by HKOwen I pray for Rayner, Butler or any of the Corbynista typs to lead Labour in to the next election. Russell-Moye also my approval. Any of the Socialist Campaign Group would do. It doesn't exactly read like a who's who of potential PMs does it. Claire Rayner would likely stand more chance and she's been dead for decade.

BlueJay

UK 12 Jul 21 2.42pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

I pray for Rayner, Butler or any of the Corbynista typs to lead Labour in to the next election. Russell-Moye also my approval. Any of the Socialist Campaign Group would do.

It doesn't exactly read like a who's who of potential PMs does it. Claire Rayner would likely stand more chance and she's been dead for decade.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.06pm
Originally posted by Matov Butler would be serious LOLZ. Far more amusing than Corbyn who did at least have a modicum of intellectual steel to him. But it wont. Ever. Issue for Labour is that outside of Rayner and Burnham, then who else is there? Nandy maybe, and with at least the benefit of being a critical voice around Labours second referendum stance in 2019? For me Rayner is the only rational option purely because of her Trade Union backing. That financial muscle counts a lot at the moment and would be enough to swing it. But I suspect Starmer is not going anywhere. Scrapping through in the by-election bought him time. Question is does he now move against the Left? As things stand, Labour is at best going to tread water. Not necessarily a bad thing for the rest of this summer because of Covid and so on but come September when the 'Game' is meant to kick off again, it has to start making some serious inroads. As things stand it seems to be always on the wrong side of public opinion. Labours primary problem is its own membership. Deluded t***s, in the main. And who will keep it mired in the merde. Labours own members deluded t,,,s matov? as oppose to the CONServatives not being deluded t...s? I don"t belong to any party, and probably won"t bother voting again, but I think calling them that, is a bit harsh, in the main!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.06pm

Originally posted by Matov

Butler would be serious LOLZ. Far more amusing than Corbyn who did at least have a modicum of intellectual steel to him. But it wont. Ever.

Issue for Labour is that outside of Rayner and Burnham, then who else is there? Nandy maybe, and with at least the benefit of being a critical voice around Labours second referendum stance in 2019?

For me Rayner is the only rational option purely because of her Trade Union backing. That financial muscle counts a lot at the moment and would be enough to swing it.

But I suspect Starmer is not going anywhere. Scrapping through in the by-election bought him time. Question is does he now move against the Left?

Labours primary problem is its own membership. Deluded t***s, in the main. And who will keep it mired in the merde.

Labours own members deluded t,,,s matov? as oppose to the CONServatives not being deluded t...s? I don"t belong to any party, and probably won"t bother voting again, but I think calling them that, is a bit harsh, in the main!

Matov 12 Jul 21 3.07pm
Originally posted by BlueJay It doesn't exactly read like a who's who of potential PMs does it. Claire Rayner would likely stand more chance and she's been dead for decade. Blair is hovering in the wings and has been making some noises over the last few months. Personally, I suspect it is to do with something else but don't rule out a potential comeback. Or at least him championing somebody. THe current standard of Labour MP's is beyond poor and with seemingly no quality control over what they are saying or pushing. Dawn Butlers latest mauling at the hands of Dominic Rabb, hardly the sharpest tool in the box himself, is proof of that. Utterly moronic, in the main. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Jul 21 3.07pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

It doesn't exactly read like a who's who of potential PMs does it. Claire Rayner would likely stand more chance and she's been dead for decade.

Blair is hovering in the wings and has been making some noises over the last few months. Personally, I suspect it is to do with something else but don't rule out a potential comeback. Or at least him championing somebody.

THe current standard of Labour MP's is beyond poor and with seemingly no quality control over what they are saying or pushing. Dawn Butlers latest mauling at the hands of Dominic Rabb, hardly the sharpest tool in the box himself, is proof of that.

Utterly moronic, in the main.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov 12 Jul 21 3.10pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Labours own members deluded t,,,s matov? as oppose to the CONServatives not being deluded t...s? I don"t belong to any party, and probably won"t bother voting again, but I think calling them that, is a bit harsh, in the main! Well yes. It was the Labour membership who enthusiastically pressed for the insanity of the second referendum policy. It is the Labour membership who encourage Labour to take all kinds of insane proposals that cause most people of voting age in the UK to shudder in revulsion. Labours membership is far more at odds with wider public opinion than the Conservatives. And that remains a massive problem for Labour. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Jul 21 3.10pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Well yes. It was the Labour membership who enthusiastically pressed for the insanity of the second referendum policy. It is the Labour membership who encourage Labour to take all kinds of insane proposals that cause most people of voting age in the UK to shudder in revulsion.

Labours membership is far more at odds with wider public opinion than the Conservatives. And that remains a massive problem for Labour.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.14pm
Originally posted by Matov Well yes. It was the Labour membership who enthusiastically pressed for the insanity of the second referendum policy. It is the Labour membership who encourage Labour to take all kinds of insane proposals that cause most people of voting age in the UK to shudder in revulsion. Labours membership is far more at odds with wider public opinion than the Conservatives. And that remains a massive problem for Labour. Deluded maybe, but t...s is a bit strong.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.14pm

Originally posted by Matov

Labours membership is far more at odds with wider public opinion than the Conservatives. And that remains a massive problem for Labour.

Deluded maybe, but t...s is a bit strong.

BlueJay UK 12 Jul 21 3.28pm
Originally posted by Matov Blair is hovering in the wings and has been making some noises over the last few months. Personally, I suspect it is to do with something else but don't rule out a potential comeback. Or at least him championing somebody. THe current standard of Labour MP's is beyond poor and with seemingly no quality control over what they are saying or pushing. Dawn Butlers latest mauling at the hands of Dominic Rabb, hardly the sharpest tool in the box himself, is proof of that. Utterly moronic, in the main. Will be interesting to see what part Blair plays. He can never keep out of the limelight for long and so you can bet he's always making moves behind the scenes. As you say, likely not for himself, but instead pushing someone else, with no doubt something in it for him along the way.

BlueJay

UK 12 Jul 21 3.28pm

Originally posted by Matov

Utterly moronic, in the main.

Will be interesting to see what part Blair plays. He can never keep out of the limelight for long and so you can bet he's always making moves behind the scenes. As you say, likely not for himself, but instead pushing someone else, with no doubt something in it for him along the way.

Matov 12 Jul 21 3.39pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Will be interesting to see what part Blair plays. He can never keep out of the limelight for long and so you can bet he's always making moves behind the scenes. As you say, likely not for himself, but instead pushing someone else, with no doubt something in it for him along the way. Blair is giving interviews in a way that can only be seen as part of a wider strategy. His appearances are deliberately structured for a purpose that is hard to fathom but there is definitely a purpose there, beyond him just liking the limelight. With a return to a senior, and influential, role in British politics up on the list. My own opinion is more to do with global politics but is bordering on the extreme tin-foil hat wearing strata but a more realistic, and rational, explanation for his current manoeuvring, can be seen in the light of UK domestic politics. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Jul 21 3.39pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Blair is giving interviews in a way that can only be seen as part of a wider strategy. His appearances are deliberately structured for a purpose that is hard to fathom but there is definitely a purpose there, beyond him just liking the limelight.

With a return to a senior, and influential, role in British politics up on the list. My own opinion is more to do with global politics but is bordering on the extreme tin-foil hat wearing strata but a more realistic, and rational, explanation for his current manoeuvring, can be seen in the light of UK domestic politics.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.42pm
Originally posted by Matov Blair is giving interviews in a way that can only be seen as part of a wider strategy. His appearances are deliberately structured for a purpose that is hard to fathom but there is definitely a purpose there, beyond him just liking the limelight. With a return to a senior, and influential, role in British politics up on the list. My own opinion is more to do with global politics but is bordering on the extreme tin-foil hat wearing strata but a more realistic, and rational, explanation for his current manoeuvring, can be seen in the light of UK domestic politics. If Blair gets involved, it will leave Boris as the only real left wing candidate to vote for!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.42pm

Originally posted by Matov

If Blair gets involved, it will leave Boris as the only real left wing candidate to vote for!

BlueJay UK 12 Jul 21 3.50pm
Originally posted by Matov Blair is giving interviews in a way that can only be seen as part of a wider strategy. His appearances are deliberately structured for a purpose that is hard to fathom but there is definitely a purpose there, beyond him just liking the limelight. With a return to a senior, and influential, role in British politics up on the list. My own opinion is more to do with global politics but is bordering on the extreme tin-foil hat wearing strata but a more realistic, and rational, explanation for his current manoeuvring, can be seen in the light of UK domestic politics. I do think everything about him comes down to power and influence, so am intrigued as to what he has in mind. During the Corbyn years he was pretty much left out in the cold and so further weaknesses within the party now create openings for influence, especially for someone as well connected as him. Yes, limelight was the wrong word really, as I view Blair as a busted flush in terms of public perception. Really most of what takes place politically is no doubt out of sight or obfuscated.

BlueJay

UK 12 Jul 21 3.50pm

Originally posted by Matov

I do think everything about him comes down to power and influence, so am intrigued as to what he has in mind. During the Corbyn years he was pretty much left out in the cold and so further weaknesses within the party now create openings for influence, especially for someone as well connected as him.

Yes, limelight was the wrong word really, as I view Blair as a busted flush in terms of public perception. Really most of what takes place politically is no doubt out of sight or obfuscated.

BlueJay UK 12 Jul 21 3.50pm
Originally posted by croydon proud If Blair gets involved, it will leave Boris as the only real left wing candidate to vote for! Haha

BlueJay

UK 12 Jul 21 3.50pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

If Blair gets involved, it will leave Boris as the only real left wing candidate to vote for!

Haha

Matov 12 Jul 21 3.53pm
Originally posted by croydon proud If Blair gets involved, it will leave Boris as the only real left wing candidate to vote for! I struggle to understand much of what is going on in this new Covid reality(?), with Blair and his recent interference/interviews just another part of the jigsaw I am struggling to piece together so who knows anymore? What is an absolute nailed on certainty is that if a global 'elite' does exist in whatever form you think, then Blair is bloody well connected to it. Nothing he does is in a vacuum. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Jul 21 3.53pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

If Blair gets involved, it will leave Boris as the only real left wing candidate to vote for!

I struggle to understand much of what is going on in this new Covid reality(?), with Blair and his recent interference/interviews just another part of the jigsaw I am struggling to piece together so who knows anymore? What is an absolute nailed on certainty is that if a global 'elite' does exist in whatever form you think, then Blair is bloody well connected to it. Nothing he does is in a vacuum.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.53pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Haha I thank you!.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.53pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Haha

I thank you!.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.58pm
Originally posted by Matov I struggle to understand much of what is going on in this new Covid reality(?), with Blair and his recent interference/interviews just another part of the jigsaw I am struggling to piece together so who knows anymore? What is an absolute nailed on certainty is that if a global 'elite' does exist in whatever form you think, then Blair is bloody well connected to it. Nothing he does is in a vacuum. I think it does exist, indeed had a mi5 person in the taxi years ago, they couldn"t believe I hadn"t heard of the 5 man table,(could be 4), where all world leaders(4 or 5 anyway), meet up to carve everything money wise up, you invade there, we go there, you supply them , we take that etc etc, meanwhile the worker bees of the world carry on working, in the safe knowledge their leaders are doing the best for them.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.58pm

Originally posted by Matov

I think it does exist, indeed had a mi5 person in the taxi years ago, they couldn"t believe I hadn"t heard of the 5 man table,(could be 4), where all world leaders(4 or 5 anyway), meet up to carve everything money wise up, you invade there, we go there, you supply them , we take that etc etc, meanwhile the worker bees of the world carry on working, in the safe knowledge their leaders are doing the best for them.

Matov 12 Jul 21 4.04pm
Originally posted by croydon proud I think it does exist, indeed had a mi5 person in the taxi years ago, they couldn"t believe I hadn"t heard of the 5 man table,(could be 4), where all world leaders(4 or 5 anyway), meet up to carve everything money wise up, you invade there, we go there, you supply them , we take that etc etc, meanwhile the worker bees of the world carry on working, in the safe knowledge their leaders are doing the best for them. Not sure how it works, and to be honest the speculation around it can cloud the issue to such an extent that it becomes counter-productive. To be honest, I thought it was all BS until I learnt about all that weird Bohemian Grove stuff and what goes on there. Very, very murky. But events over the last couple of decades, and primarily what happened with Libya in terms of its deliberate destabilisation for no apparent logical reason, made me finally accept that there is some seriously weird s*** going on that is not necessarily to the benefit of me and my kin. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Jul 21 4.04pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Not sure how it works, and to be honest the speculation around it can cloud the issue to such an extent that it becomes counter-productive.

To be honest, I thought it was all BS until I learnt about all that weird Bohemian Grove stuff and what goes on there. Very, very murky.

But events over the last couple of decades, and primarily what happened with Libya in terms of its deliberate destabilisation for no apparent logical reason, made me finally accept that there is some seriously weird s*** going on that is not necessarily to the benefit of me and my kin.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 4.33pm
Originally posted by Matov Not sure how it works, and to be honest the speculation around it can cloud the issue to such an extent that it becomes counter-productive. To be honest, I thought it was all BS until I learnt about all that weird Bohemian Grove stuff and what goes on there. Very, very murky. But events over the last couple of decades, and primarily what happened with Libya in terms of its deliberate destabilisation for no apparent logical reason, made me finally accept that there is some seriously weird s*** going on that is not necessarily to the benefit of me and my kin. Yes, it does make you think, the one thing i"m sure they are not discussing is how to pay the workers more.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 4.33pm

Originally posted by Matov

Not sure how it works, and to be honest the speculation around it can cloud the issue to such an extent that it becomes counter-productive.

To be honest, I thought it was all BS until I learnt about all that weird Bohemian Grove stuff and what goes on there. Very, very murky.

Yes, it does make you think, the one thing i"m sure they are not discussing is how to pay the workers more.

HKOwen Hong Kong 12 Jul 21 11.02pm
Just because you're paranoid doesn't preclude you from being followed..... Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 12 Jul 21 11.02pm

Just because you're paranoid doesn't preclude you from being followed.....

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

batcountry Melbourne 12 Jul 21 11.34pm
Originally posted by croydon proud I think it does exist, indeed had a mi5 person in the taxi years ago, they couldn"t believe I hadn"t heard of the 5 man table,(could be 4), where all world leaders(4 or 5 anyway), meet up to carve everything money wise up, you invade there, we go there, you supply them , we take that etc etc, meanwhile the worker bees of the world carry on working, in the safe knowledge their leaders are doing the best for them. ——————————————————————————————- That doesn’t sound like a bs conspiracy theory at all.

batcountry

Melbourne 12 Jul 21 11.34pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

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That doesn’t sound like a bs conspiracy theory at all.

Jacey 16 Jul 21 9.26am
Seems like mission impossible for this dreary,boring,clueless individual. [Link]

Jacey

16 Jul 21 9.26am

Seems like mission impossible for this dreary,boring,clueless individual.

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Jacey 30 Jul 21 3.20pm
Keir today appeared on BBC today,sporting the most unbelievable red face.Perhaps he fell asleep in the sunshine listening to one of his many dreary,mostly irrelevant speeches?? Edited by Jacey (30 Jul 2021 3.21pm)

Jacey

30 Jul 21 3.20pm

Keir today appeared on BBC today,sporting the most unbelievable red face.Perhaps he fell asleep in the sunshine listening to one of his many dreary,mostly irrelevant speeches??

Edited by Jacey (30 Jul 2021 3.21pm)

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