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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 May 20 2.17pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by the.universal


Do you think performing well in public appearances equates to good performance?

If you are referring to the Chancellor he has come up with a package of financial measures that does it's best to keep as many people in a job as possible

Originally posted by the.universal


I think the two are increasingly conflated, rightly or wrongly. Example being the Chief Medical Offer who would seem to be a good fit for the job, considering he’s a virologist. But he was mugged off for having a crap haircut and terrible presentation skills.

(He does need a better haircut, to be fair.)

Of course there is no appealing to tw@ts who are increasingly noisy since broadband came in reach of everybody. I was referring people people whose IQs were a higher number than their waistbands

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Of course there is no appealing to tw@ts who are increasingly noisy since broadband came in reach of everybody. I was referring people people whose IQs were a higher number than their waistbands


That"s a lot of people people! A re you wearing your low waisters today?

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 08 May 20 3.18pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

In the midst of all the drama, one decision made by Starmer last week is, I think, incredibly significant.

He came out and renounced Labour's previous position on Kashmir, which was to condemn the Indian government's actions there.

Now it is clear he did so to appease Indian Labour voters, many of whom didn't vote for Corbyn specifically because of this reason.

This may seem incredibly trivial, but actually, it is a clear indication of his political instincts, and even as a sceptic of his, it surprised me.

Kashmir is one of the largest human rights issues in the world. People have been arrested without trial, communication has been blacked out, and the Indian military have been shown to be committing numerous atrocities throughout the region.

Now you could argue that it isn't Labour's position to take a stand on these things and winning power is more important than far off conflicts. But remember, Starmer was a human rights lawyer. He, more than most, will know what is happening in Kashmir, and his decision to ignore it must have been done in spite of his knowledge.

It raises the question: if the human rights lawyer is willing to overlook human rights abuses, what does he actually stand for? Until that is answered, no number of breezy dispatches of Johnson at PMQs is likely to win poeple over.

excellent point in the main, Starmer is Blair mark 2, but I think that pragmatism is likely to appeal rather than deter, Johnson has charisma Starmer has gravitas, his picking on the peak in testing on the last day of the month is an example of his spot on strategy, why can't it be that way every day? you can accuse him of playing politics, and maybe he is, but that's irrelevant, it was a point that needed to be made so he made it and got maximum political capital out of it and was immune to the charge of disloyalty - Johnson must go into depression at the sight of Starmer, that's forgetting that Johnson isn't fully human of course.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 08 May 20 3.29pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

excellent point in the main, Starmer is Blair mark 2, but I think that pragmatism is likely to appeal rather than deter, Johnson has charisma Starmer has gravitas, his picking on the peak in testing on the last day of the month is an example of his spot on strategy, why can't it be that way every day? you can accuse him of playing politics, and maybe he is, but that's irrelevant, it was a point that needed to be made so he made it and got maximum political capital out of it and was immune to the charge of disloyalty - Johnson must go into depression at the sight of Starmer, that's forgetting that Johnson isn't fully human of course.

My wife spoke to him yesterday as part of a couple of web chats he did in Scotland and was very impressed with him. He answered all the questions put to him, albeit they were previously submitted, and came across as engaging and committed.

 

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Originally posted by ex hibitionist

excellent point in the main, Starmer is Blair mark 2, but I think that pragmatism is likely to appeal rather than deter, Johnson has charisma Starmer has gravitas, his picking on the peak in testing on the last day of the month is an example of his spot on strategy, why can't it be that way every day? you can accuse him of playing politics, and maybe he is, but that's irrelevant, it was a point that needed to be made so he made it and got maximum political capital out of it and was immune to the charge of disloyalty - Johnson must go into depression at the sight of Starmer, that's forgetting that Johnson isn't fully human of course.

There is surprisingly little the British government can do to influence indian policy on Kashmir save quiet back channel diplomacy. And absolutely nothing you can do in opposition.

You need to get in power if you want to change things. Something that numpty Corbyn never got. And there is always a degree of Faust in the route to the chair.

Realpolitik.

 

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Here's a fun fact of the day.

Since WWII three labour leaders have won general elections.

Attlee, Wilson, and Blair.

All 3 were of the moderate left.

All 3 studied at Oxford at some point with Attlee and Blair studying law going on to become barristers.

Starmer is Moderate left and a former barrister who also studied at Oxford.

Jeremy Corbyn dropped out of the North London Polytechnic as he didn't agree with the sylibus.

Really they represent the two seperate sides of the Labour party. The moderates, who work for social justice within the current social economic system. And the extremist, who just bitch and moan about life being unfair and craving a failed system of tryanny, corruption, and repression.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 11 May 20 6.56pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles


Really they represent the two seperate sides of the Labour party. The moderates, who work for social justice within the current social economic system. And the extremist, who just bitch and moan about life being unfair and craving a failed system of tryanny, corruption, and repression.

Or the one side who are cosily part of the Establishment and continue to allow the usual types to get richer at the expense of everybody else.

On somebody who truly wanted to shake up Britain so that everybody else got a fair deal.

Look, I would never vote for Corbyn if my life depended on it but something pretty f***ed up is going on. Never bought much into this Deep State nonsense but something is nagging away at me now.

Maybe it is the lockdown getting to me but I am increasingly uncomfortable with what is going on at the moment.

Starmer engineered a situation in which Corbyn was guaranteed to lose the General Election. No ifs or buts. And now gets presented by the likes of the BBC as this sensible hand on the tiller.

Something stinks in British politics at the moment, it really does. Starmer is bought and paid for.

 

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Originally posted by Matov

Or the one side who are cosily part of the Establishment and continue to allow the usual types to get richer at the expense of everybody else.

On somebody who truly wanted to shake up Britain so that everybody else got a fair deal.

Look, I would never vote for Corbyn if my life depended on it but something pretty f***ed up is going on. Never bought much into this Deep State nonsense but something is nagging away at me now.

Maybe it is the lockdown getting to me but I am increasingly uncomfortable with what is going on at the moment.

Starmer engineered a situation in which Corbyn was guaranteed to lose the General Election. No ifs or buts. And now gets presented by the likes of the BBC as this sensible hand on the tiller.

Something stinks in British politics at the moment, it really does. Starmer is bought and paid for.


rubbish: Cameron was more bought and paid for than Starmer - this is bordering on paranoia, he's just smarter than you'd like him to be and Bojo is more stupid than you'd like him to be - get over it. Starmer may have calculated Corbyn as a no hoper and was waiting his moment, but this isn't back satbbing ambition, he knows he's competent and electable and Corbyn was neither. So the liberal elite have manufactured a scenario where Bojo gets called out for being cr*p? Do me a favour - how much would Rudi pay for that piece of polemic I'd like to know!

not rubbish: your analysis of labour's two wings was spot on - the ones who don't fit into that dichotomy tend to be the good 'uns, like the late John Smith, maybe Lisa Nandy or Andy Burnham would be examples now.

 

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Originally posted by Matov

Or the one side who are cosily part of the Establishment and continue to allow the usual types to get richer at the expense of everybody else.

On somebody who truly wanted to shake up Britain so that everybody else got a fair deal.

Look, I would never vote for Corbyn if my life depended on it but something pretty f***ed up is going on. Never bought much into this Deep State nonsense but something is nagging away at me now.

Maybe it is the lockdown getting to me but I am increasingly uncomfortable with what is going on at the moment.

Starmer engineered a situation in which Corbyn was guaranteed to lose the General Election. No ifs or buts. And now gets presented by the likes of the BBC as this sensible hand on the tiller.

Something stinks in British politics at the moment, it really does. Starmer is bought and paid for.

It makes sense to me that politicians towards the outer right (Con) or left (Lab) are less likely to appeal to the middle ground and thus be less electable.

Corbyn, Miliband, Michael Howard, IDS, Hague, John Smith, Kinnock and Foot. There’s a common thread to them; principled politicians who appealed to core party members, but not generally well liked by floating voters.

 


Vive le Roy!

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Online Flag The Promised Land 12 May 20 9.46am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Here's a fun fact of the day.

Since WWII three labour leaders have won general elections.

Attlee, Wilson, and Blair.

All 3 were of the moderate left.

All 3 studied at Oxford at some point with Attlee and Blair studying law going on to become barristers.

Starmer is Moderate left and a former barrister who also studied at Oxford.

Jeremy Corbyn dropped out of the North London Polytechnic as he didn't agree with the sylibus.

Really they represent the two seperate sides of the Labour party. The moderates, who work for social justice within the current social economic system. And the extremist, who just bitch and moan about life being unfair and craving a failed system of tryanny, corruption, and repression.


Policies which Corbyn's Labour first proposed:

Green New deal

Renationalise utilities and rail

Free high speed broadband

National Education Service


Rent controls

Increase corporation tax


Now staggeringly, 2 of these are already in place, and it seems highly likely that a couple more are not far off. And remember, we now know that had Party HQ not intervened, we almost certainly would've seen a Labour minority government in 2017.

So which of those policy proposals do you consider 'craving a failed system', and other than those policies, what will Starker offer that is more in line with trying to achieve 'social justice'?

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Originally posted by serial thriller


Policies which Corbyn's Labour first proposed:

Green New deal

Renationalise utilities and rail

Free high speed broadband

National Education Service


Rent controls

Increase corporation tax


Now staggeringly, 2 of these are already in place, and it seems highly likely that a couple more are not far off. And remember, we now know that had Party HQ not intervened, we almost certainly would've seen a Labour minority government in 2017.

So which of those policy proposals do you consider 'craving a failed system', and other than those policies, what will Starker offer that is more in line with trying to achieve 'social justice'?

Great isnt it. Got your policies in without wholesale socialism. No doubt you will now vote tory.

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Online Flag The Promised Land 12 May 20 10.52am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Great isnt it. Got your policies in without wholesale socialism. No doubt you will now vote tory.

Not until they fly a red flag over Downing street and open it up to house the homeless

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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