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 Kermit8  Hevon 01 Mar 17 1.13pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The reason such work doesn't really appeal to many British people is that its seasonal. 15 an hour, 7 hours a day over a year is good enough, but in truth the reality is that this kind of work is for a month or two a year. Work such as this very much fits the idea of a temporary work force, and it would make sense to allow people period defined working visas to come to the UK to perform this work - as it will always prove difficult to staff from UK workers (it really only appeals to students). Xenophobes don't do 'sense'.
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 17 1.14pm |
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Also worth noting that such is the demand for teachers, agencies are looking abroad to get them.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Mar 17 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There was a time when these jobs used to be done by Brits. What has happened is that wages have been squeezed by ever an increasing desire to make profit by the big retailers etc. All we are doing by importing foreign workers is to perpetuate that trend toward terrible pay and conditions. Problem is, when prices rise to meet those wage demands, people will complain about paying to much and jump towards political agendas of company's who offer 'more competition, better prices, free market solution and so on'.
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| GillinghamDavid Gillingham 01 Mar 17 1.15pm |
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See if you can borrow a recording of Loose Women on 1st March 2017. Two of the panel interview a woman upon whom was palmed off an over-age "child" "asylum seeker" previously rumbled by the Belgian authorities but not checked by the wombats who we pay to keep us secure. The woman is now living in fear of her life. Watch it. Stop virtue signalling.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
And let's put this red herring/propaganda/outright lies about foreigners affecting pay to bed, shall we, as far as this is concerned: Mr Capper chair of the National Farmers’ Union (NFU) horticulture and potatoes board, is often asked why British people do not want to pick apples. “It’s not about pay,” she said. “A good picker may be earning £8, £9, £15 an hour.
Odd that British people don't want more of the action then. Don't tell me. They are too lazy. Lefty lolz...
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Problem is, when prices rise to meet those wage demands, people will complain about paying to much and jump towards political agendas of company's who offer 'more competition, better prices, free market solution and so on'. Very probably. The whole fruit picking thing is a bit of a red herring isn't it? Don't a lot of those workers go home after the season ends?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Mar 17 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Or alternatively, don't have them here in the first place. I don't think that's a viable solution either. Migration and emigration are necessary, the question really is about how well you regulate a system to serve a function. Its important to remember that even before the EU the UK had migrant workers. The issue of the EU with freedom of movement is more to do with scale, and lack of control and oversight allowing working migration to serve a process. But all work however must have an incentive, and serve at the very least as the primary route out of comparative poverty.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I don't think that's a viable solution either. Migration and emigration are necessary, the question really is about how well you regulate a system to serve a function. Its important to remember that even before the EU the UK had migrant workers. The issue of the EU with freedom of movement is more to do with scale, and lack of control and oversight allowing working migration to serve a process. But all work however must have an incentive, and serve at the very least as the primary route out of comparative poverty. Of course. The issue is with numbers. Immigration is needed for a bit of hybrid vigor if nothing else. Or we will all end up with big noses and ears and six fingers on very small hands.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Xenophobes don't do 'sense'. Says the man who lives in a place where the last black man sighted was Lenny Henry on a tour of Butlin's resorts. Insults is all ya got squire.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Mar 17 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Odd that British people don't want more of the action then. Don't tell me. They are too lazy. Lefty lolz... I would imagine most of them can't take two months off in the Summer to go hop picking from their actual job, and if they have a job, it pays more than 8 or 9 an hour. And if you're on benefits, you can't take the work (not legally) without having your claims re-evaluated (and given the length of time it can take to get benefits re-enstated and paid, its not worth risking becoming homeless for a few weeks work). Plus for many it means relocating for a few months (the real problem of agricultural employment is a lack of people living in rural areas). I don't think British people are lazy. I just don't se
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Mar 17 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Very probably. The whole fruit picking thing is a bit of a red herring isn't it? Don't a lot of those workers go home after the season ends? Yes, or move onto other areas of seasonal work in other countries. Its an area of work, that actually requires and is best served by a temporary workforce. A few might stay on longer term, having secured longer periods of work on farms etc but for the most part people follow the work to the next agricultural area.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 17 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I would imagine most of them can't take two months off in the Summer to go hop picking from their actual job, and if they have a job, it pays more than 8 or 9 an hour. And if you're on benefits, you can't take the work (not legally) without having your claims re-evaluated (and given the length of time it can take to get benefits re-enstated and paid, its not worth risking becoming homeless for a few weeks work). Plus for many it means relocating for a few months (the real problem of agricultural employment is a lack of people living in rural areas). I don't think British people are lazy. I just don't se Again. I don't think fruit pickers are really much of an issue. It is just a diversion from a much more serious topic.
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