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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Feb 17 6.52pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 So via the most unreliable, and invalid source - casual participant observation? That applies to everyone. We are all susceptible to human limitations but some things are still indisputable facts. People will interpret those facts through their own prejudices but to deny a fact or a probable outcome from a set of circumstances to protect an ideal is folly. In short we must be true to what we really believe based on what we observe, even filtered through prejudice, or we are betraying ourselves. I have no problem with people seeing things a different way to me but what I do have a problem with is people seeing what I see and then pretending they don't, just to win an argument.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So via the most unreliable, and invalid source - casual participant observation?

That applies to everyone.
We are all susceptible to human limitations but some things are still indisputable facts. People will interpret those facts through their own prejudices but to deny a fact or a probable outcome from a set of circumstances to protect an ideal is folly.
In short we must be true to what we really believe based on what we observe, even filtered through prejudice, or we are betraying ourselves.
I have no problem with people seeing things a different way to me but what I do have a problem with is people seeing what I see and then pretending they don't, just to win an argument.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Feb 17 7.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That applies to everyone. We are all susceptible to human limitations but some things are still indisputable facts. People will interpret those facts through their own prejudices but to deny a fact or a probable outcome from a set of circumstances to protect an ideal is folly. In short we must be true to what we really believe based on what we observe, even filtered through prejudice, or we are betraying ourselves. I have no problem with people seeing things a different way to me but what I do have a problem with is people seeing what I see and then pretending they don't, just to win an argument. Perhaps people want to see some evidence so that people who make assertions can back them up.
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Shizzlehurst 28 Feb 17 7.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Perhaps people want to see some evidence so that people who make assertions can back them up.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Feb 17 7.20pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Perhaps people want to see some evidence so that people who make assertions can back them up. And what sort of evidence would satisfy you as regard the problems in Sweden?
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28 Feb 17 7.20pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Perhaps people want to see some evidence so that people who make assertions can back them up.

And what sort of evidence would satisfy you as regard the problems in Sweden?

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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Feb 17 7.23pm
"Official crime statistics from Sweden actually show that the crime rate has remained steady since 2005. What’s more, the Swedish police do not collect information on the ethnicity, religion, or race of perpetrators or victims of crime, which means there’s no evidence for claims that Muslim immigrants are committing crimes in record numbers. Nor is there any evidence to support the claim that Swedish authorities are manipulating the statistics" Washington Post Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 28 Feb 17 7.23pm

"Official crime statistics from Sweden actually show that the crime rate has remained steady since 2005. What’s more, the Swedish police do not collect information on the ethnicity, religion, or race of perpetrators or victims of crime, which means there’s no evidence for claims that Muslim immigrants are committing crimes in record numbers. Nor is there any evidence to support the claim that Swedish authorities are manipulating the statistics"

Washington Post

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Feb 17 7.24pm
Not sorry to p1ss on your chips, Hrolf. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 28 Feb 17 7.24pm

Not sorry to p1ss on your chips, Hrolf.

Big chest and massive boobs

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Feb 17 7.34pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And what sort of evidence would satisfy you as regard the problems in Sweden? Any at the moment. Kermit managed to find something that counters your argument, must be easy to find something that backs you up.
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Shizzlehurst 28 Feb 17 7.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And what sort of evidence would satisfy you as regard the problems in Sweden?

Any at the moment. Kermit managed to find something that counters your argument, must be easy to find something that backs you up.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Feb 17 7.35pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 "Official crime statistics from Sweden actually show that the crime rate has remained steady since 2005. What’s more, the Swedish police do not collect information on the ethnicity, religion, or race of perpetrators or victims of crime, which means there’s no evidence for claims that Muslim immigrants are committing crimes in record numbers. Nor is there any evidence to support the claim that Swedish authorities are manipulating the statistics" Washington Post What a daft report. How can there be evidence if they don't collect it? And what is the value of saying there is no evidence of a cover up? How can they know when there are no statistics in the first place?
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28 Feb 17 7.35pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

What a daft report.
How can there be evidence if they don't collect it? And what is the value of saying there is no evidence of a cover up? How can they know when there are no statistics in the first place?

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Feb 17 7.37pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Any at the moment. Kermit managed to find something that counters your argument, must be easy to find something that backs you up. No. There is never enough to change a closed mind.
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28 Feb 17 7.37pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Any at the moment. Kermit managed to find something that counters your argument, must be easy to find something that backs you up.

No. There is never enough to change a closed mind.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Feb 17 7.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What a daft report. How can there be evidence if they don't collect it? And what is the value of saying there is no evidence of a cover up? How can they know when there are no statistics in the first place? So provide evidence that there is a cover up.
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Shizzlehurst 28 Feb 17 7.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So provide evidence that there is a cover up.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Feb 17 7.51pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So provide evidence that there is a cover up. Let's be patient and see what emerges.
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28 Feb 17 7.51pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So provide evidence that there is a cover up.

Let's be patient and see what emerges.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Feb 17 7.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Let's be patient and see what emerges. So you can't then. Fair enough.
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Shizzlehurst 28 Feb 17 7.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Let's be patient and see what emerges.

So you can't then. Fair enough.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Feb 17 8.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So you can't then. Fair enough. Since there has been a conscious effort by the Swedish authorities not to include details of ethnicity in crime reporting and I am not party to internal memos or meetings of the Swedish government, I can only rely on accounts from policeman who have gone public with their observations. I know that would be easily excused away by the likes of yourself so I'm not bothering to find them for you. You have seen them already I'm sure.
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28 Feb 17 8.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So you can't then. Fair enough.

Since there has been a conscious effort by the Swedish authorities not to include details of ethnicity in crime reporting and I am not party to internal memos or meetings of the Swedish government, I can only rely on accounts from policeman who have gone public with their observations.
I know that would be easily excused away by the likes of yourself so I'm not bothering to find them for you. You have seen them already I'm sure.

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