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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.43pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
So we are dim as well now, you really are reaching rock bottom, well done Well the light of reason has gone out in this thread for sure.
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Teddy Eagle  08 Dec 20 11.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your contention that because a symbol is associated with a movement that anyone using it must be supporting that movement. That is true, by common consent for the Nazi salute, but is clearly in dispute for "taking the knee". Did I really need to explain that? Well, yes, because your original contention was that no political organisation owns a gesture. I gave an example of one.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.48pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And the dimmer than that could see the improbability of 100% of footballers agreeing about societal issues. About this yes. When so many of their fellow players, whilst wealthy, still face discrimination they are going to be much more aware than the average person. They wouldn't take a lot of persuasion that making a stand across the world of football was a good thing.
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| Teddy Eagle 08 Dec 20 11.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Learn and try harder. Some can and do. Some cannot and don't. Learn what? Try harder to do what? And how will we know that enough has been learned?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 11.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Learn and try harder. Some can and do. Some cannot and don't. Then what? Be more of a decent person than they already are?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
He must be older than he looks if he’s been doing it for 60 years, an article about the University of South Carolina Gamecocks. The Gamecocks held a Varsity-Alumni game, and during halftime, one of the Alumni players, Albert "King" Dixon Jr., paid tribute to Rex Enright, a longtime coach and athletic director who had died the month before. With two minutes left before they had to go back out on the field, the Little King stood up and said: "Some of us talked about this before the game. We all played for him. We all loved him. Now he's gone. So let's all take a knee for a moment of silence for our Rex Enright." So what? We are not talking about 60 years ago and an unconnected event. Kaepernick's protest was the direct precursor for the events we are discussing.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Dec 20 11.58pm |
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At least while taking a knee, they're not looking for a pay rise. Some positives in this.
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| Teddy Eagle 08 Dec 20 11.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So what? We are not talking about 60 years ago and an unconnected event. Kaepernick's protest was the direct precursor for the events we are discussing. It’s a standard thing in American Football and has been for a long time. Never heard of the Quarterback kneel? Kaepernick co-opted it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 12.01am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You’ve completely forgotten about the police bending the knee in the summer and Cressida Dick and Sadiq Khan getting heavy criticism for it all. No, it’s just about their teammates getting some flack, or a criminal in another country, or an American footballer, or something. What a load of nonsense. Display zero tolerance of racism in a football stadium because you’re on someone’s property, and change a few worthwhile things in society, but no thanks to subservient gestures, especially with what happened in the summer. I wouldn’t expect anyone to do it for any reason in my company and neither would I. And it’s no surprise of the politics of the BBS idiots condoning the vandalism on London’s historical heroes while saying it’s no big deal. It’s probably and hopefully running its course anyway. Rugby players are starting to not do it and it’s only silly professional sportspeople more interested in likes than of what they’re truly doing. F1 is one of the more middle class sports and Lewis Hamilton has lost masses of fans with his demands that everyone else follows his line while the other drivers display anti racism in their own way. Funny that, even the Germans, Swiss, Austrians, and many other European sportsmen won’t do it or entertain it either. But we’re all little Englanders aren’t we? Have a day off Hol tomorrow. Save us from more BS and double standards. The Police et al will answer for themselves. They aren't involved in this and you referencing them is attempting to divert. So is whether the gesture has run its course. That's another debate. This is about respect and the lack of it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 12.04am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The whole knee thing has been a bad decision by everybody bearing in mind what happened in London. Again, look at F1. Rejected by individual sportsmen not under pressure by new English woke nonsense led by corporations and sky, who funnily enough are the biggest of the lot. No, instead they display anti racism without subservient and controversial gestures. Clearly the QPR players have got emotional over it in the last few days because they’ve been influenced that what happened at Millwall vs Derby was racist rather than against the gesture and the recent not too distant history of the knee and black power salutes. Different argument to what happened at Millwall. Do you support them booing? That's the bottom line.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Dec 20 12.06am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The Police et al will answer for themselves. They aren't involved in this and you referencing them is attempting to divert. So is whether the gesture has run its course. That's another debate. This is about respect and the lack of it. You’ve no answer. So it’s about respect now. Next week it’ll be about something else I expect. You’d be funny if you weren’t trying to be serious. I actually would prefer to see some proper meaningful changes and you’re talking about respect for footballers where 99.999% of the time they are. Jesus Christ I don’t even think you know what and why you’re arguing now.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 12.08am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It’s a standard thing in American Football and has been for a long time. Never heard of the Quarterback kneel? Kaepernick co-opted it. Maybe, but again so what? Him co-opting it was the precursor if that makes you happy. Him doing it after first refusing to stand for the anthem was what started all of this.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Dec 20 12.13am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Different argument to what happened at Millwall. Do you support them booing? That's the bottom line. Quick sand giving way? I know why they booed. The goings on over the summer. I’ve said this many times. Did they boo tonight? No. Do they boo during any ‘kick it out’ displays? No. Do they do monkey chants at players? No. Does this happen at West Ham, Colchester, Brentford or Reading? No as well. are you beginning to get it yet? Oh I forgot, you probably have very little allegiance and affinity with your country and it’s history, pride and freedom anyway.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 12.19am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You’ve no answer. So it’s about respect now. Next week it’ll be about something else I expect. You’d be funny if you weren’t trying to be serious. I actually would prefer to see some proper meaningful changes and you’re talking about respect for footballers where 99.999% of the time they are. Jesus Christ I don’t even think you know what and why you’re arguing now. Not at all. I am not going to attempt to defend actions I know little background about. They have nothing whatsoever to do with what happened at Millwall. Of course booing players who are making a sincere gesture is showing disrespect. You don't have to agree with the gesture to respect those who do. It's mindless. Trying to show a non-existent link to a political movement as an excuse to justify the disrespect is pretty pathetic. Trying to divert onto whether an alternative gesture would be more suitable might produce a useful side discussion but isn't the major talking point. The disrespect, and what lay behind it, is.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Dec 20 12.25am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Quick sand giving way? I know why they booed. The goings on over the summer. I’ve said this many times. Did they boo tonight? No. Do they boo during any ‘kick it out’ displays? No. Do they do monkey chants at players? No. Does this happen at West Ham, Colchester, Brentford or Reading? No as well. are you beginning to get it yet? Oh I forgot, you probably have very little allegiance and affinity with your country and it’s history, pride and freedom anyway. Whatever "going-ons" you don't like doesn't excuse that kind of behaviour. Were you, by any chance, ever a member of the National Front? Your whole political approach seems to have an echo of them.
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Dec 20 12.29am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
About this yes. When so many of their fellow players, whilst wealthy, still face discrimination they are going to be much more aware than the average person. They wouldn't take a lot of persuasion that making a stand across the world of football was a good thing. There are about twenty people on this thread with differences of opinion but hundreds of footballers from all over the world are in complete agreement?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Dec 20 12.31am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not at all. I am not going to attempt to defend actions I know little background about. They have nothing whatsoever to do with what happened at Millwall. Of course booing players who are making a sincere gesture is showing disrespect. You don't have to agree with the gesture to respect those who do. It's mindless. Trying to show a non-existent link to a political movement as an excuse to justify the disrespect is pretty pathetic. Trying to divert onto whether an alternative gesture would be more suitable might produce a useful side discussion but isn't the major talking point. The disrespect, and what lay behind it, is. This feeling has been brewing up for months since last season was finished after the riots. Sincere in some eyes, tainted in disrespect to the nation in others. See the paradox? And yes, alternatives have already happened and passed peacefully. Millwall held their tongues when those stupid qpr players tried to make it more divisive, because the black panther salute isn’t harmonious is it?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Dec 20 12.36am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whatever "going-ons" you don't like doesn't excuse that kind of behaviour. Were you, by any chance, ever a member of the National Front? Your whole political approach seems to have an echo of them. You don’t know my sexual and dating history lol. I would like to see fair changes made in society that bring fairness to minorities, not these empty, divisive and provocative displays. Seems like you’re losing, or you just don’t like being pressed too much.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Dec 20 12.49am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whatever "going-ons" you don't like doesn't excuse that kind of behaviour. Were you, by any chance, ever a member of the National Front? Your whole political approach seems to have an echo of them. By your logic the whole readership of The Telegraph and Daily Mail are former members of the National Front. Anyone who tutted at the demands for the police to kneel and the subservient police must of course be racist former National Front members through your sanctimonious Truro lenses. I’ve heard people that would distance themselves from saying anything like we have a two tier policing system since then say that after the lockdown protests that is exactly what we have. Yes, respectable middle class people eventually see the policing instructed via politics. You frankly disgust me more as time goes on. Not only do you excuse such behaviour from your safe haven but you accuse others of being members of racist organisations because they dare to speak out about it. But that you all over isn’t it? Control of speech, thought and politics. Pretty shameful. Have a day off.
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| dannyboy1978 09 Dec 20 7.48am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
There are about twenty people on this thread with differences of opinion but hundreds of footballers from all over the world are in complete agreement? More like complying, I wouldn't want aggravation either if I'm honest and probably go with the flow. But ide have my views!
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