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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 8.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays WE's answer is just believe and do what the establishment tell you. Unless he disagrees with it of course. Not at all. Most sensible people agree there is a need, whilst some hesitate to tackle it now. Including many who you would see as the "establishment", especially those who might lose their seats through taking unpopular decisions. My view is that you cannot postpone, just because it's difficult and painful. Ambivalence is not an option. There will be many competing demands in the future which, if succumbed to, would quickly blow us off course. This, and they, must be firmly resisted. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 8.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

WE's answer is just believe and do what the establishment tell you.

Unless he disagrees with it of course.

Not at all.

Most sensible people agree there is a need, whilst some hesitate to tackle it now. Including many who you would see as the "establishment", especially those who might lose their seats through taking unpopular decisions.

My view is that you cannot postpone, just because it's difficult and painful. Ambivalence is not an option. There will be many competing demands in the future which, if succumbed to, would quickly blow us off course. This, and they, must be firmly resisted.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 10 Nov 22 9.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Yes we can, but more importantly we must, because what we cannot afford is to bequeath a future which leads to the death of billions. We just don't want to afford it, but we can, and the changes needed are really not so onerous. To speak only of costs is, I think, a misunderstanding. What we need to do is put more resources into ensuring those processes causing the problems are replaced with others that don't. That means a redeployment of people and industries, who will still earn money and make profits. Our real costs will come with the need to assist others to do the same, which will enable their people to remain and thrive where they are and not be driven to relocate. That in turn will mean they become more effective competitors, which will have its own impacts. We don't though have a choice. Being unhappy about it doesn't change that. We can afford it even though Covid has crippled us for far less.
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Teddy Eagle

10 Nov 22 9.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes we can, but more importantly we must, because what we cannot afford is to bequeath a future which leads to the death of billions.

We just don't want to afford it, but we can, and the changes needed are really not so onerous.

To speak only of costs is, I think, a misunderstanding. What we need to do is put more resources into ensuring those processes causing the problems are replaced with others that don't. That means a redeployment of people and industries, who will still earn money and make profits.

Our real costs will come with the need to assist others to do the same, which will enable their people to remain and thrive where they are and not be driven to relocate. That in turn will mean they become more effective competitors, which will have its own impacts.

We don't though have a choice. Being unhappy about it doesn't change that.

We can afford it even though Covid has crippled us for far less.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 9.10pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle We can afford it even though Covid has crippled us for far less. You cannot compare the two. Covid was a relatively short term event, which hurt us economically and socially, but was overcome through science and fortitude. We can, and will, make a full recovery from Covid. Changing the way we live as a result of the need to respond to man made climate change is a long term commitment, whose costs are spread over decades and will also produce paybacks via new technologies. The "costs" are a distraction in my view, as they are probably unquantifiable. We need to concentrate on the benefits and encourage the people to view this as a positive opportunity. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Nov 22 9.10pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

We can afford it even though Covid has crippled us for far less.

You cannot compare the two.

Covid was a relatively short term event, which hurt us economically and socially, but was overcome through science and fortitude. We can, and will, make a full recovery from Covid.

Changing the way we live as a result of the need to respond to man made climate change is a long term commitment, whose costs are spread over decades and will also produce paybacks via new technologies.

The "costs" are a distraction in my view, as they are probably unquantifiable. We need to concentrate on the benefits and encourage the people to view this as a positive opportunity.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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steeleye20 Online Croydon 11 Nov 22 11.33am
Not only is the UK the only major economy to be shrinking in the three months to September, but it is the only one not to have recovered in full the chunk of the economy lost during the pandemic. Amazingly, the UK still has an economy 0.4% smaller than in the quarter before the pandemic in Q4 2019. And they assault our brains with 'growth, growth growth', while all the time the tories have pushed us into negative growth, 0.4%. If their remedy is what we all expect, there is no investment or growth there, just pain except for mainly themselves. The financial black hole is not convincing imo and I have read a lot of economists who think the same. Why do we actually have to endure a long recession, at all?
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Croydon 11 Nov 22 11.33am

Not only is the UK the only major economy to be shrinking in the three months to September, but it is the only one not to have recovered in full the chunk of the economy lost during the pandemic. Amazingly, the UK still has an economy 0.4% smaller than in the quarter before the pandemic in Q4 2019.

And they assault our brains with 'growth, growth growth', while all the time the tories have pushed us into negative growth, 0.4%.

If their remedy is what we all expect, there is no investment or growth there, just pain except for mainly themselves.

The financial black hole is not convincing imo and I have read a lot of economists who think the same.

Why do we actually have to endure a long recession, at all?

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steeleye20 Online Croydon 11 Nov 22 11.45am
The black hole and structural problems are already there. I mean, it wasn’t that the national debt was created by Liz Truss’s 44 days in government.” Kwarteng has a point.
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Croydon 11 Nov 22 11.45am

The black hole and structural problems are already there. I mean, it wasn’t that the national debt was created by Liz Truss’s 44 days in government.”

Kwarteng has a point.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Nov 22 11.54am
Originally posted by steeleye20 The black hole and structural problems are already there. I mean, it wasn’t that the national debt was created by Liz Truss’s 44 days in government.” Kwarteng has a point. Indeed he does. However, I think it fair to say the acknowledgement of a 'black hole' and 'structural problems' does at least provide evidence for the need of having those in office able to deal with/counteract these issues. I think both the public and powers that be gave ol' Liz a brief pop at it and collectively decided: 'nah'. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Nov 22 11.54am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The black hole and structural problems are already there. I mean, it wasn’t that the national debt was created by Liz Truss’s 44 days in government.”

Kwarteng has a point.

Indeed he does.

However, I think it fair to say the acknowledgement of a 'black hole' and 'structural problems' does at least provide evidence for the need of having those in office able to deal with/counteract these issues.

I think both the public and powers that be gave ol' Liz a brief pop at it and collectively decided: 'nah'.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Teddy Eagle 11 Nov 22 12.20pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Indeed he does. However, I think it fair to say the acknowledgement of a 'black hole' and 'structural problems' does at least provide evidence for the need of having those in office able to deal with/counteract these issues. I think both the public and powers that be gave ol' Liz a brief pop at it and collectively decided: 'nah'. The political equivalent of a failed drunken one-night stand.
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Teddy Eagle

11 Nov 22 12.20pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Indeed he does.

I think both the public and powers that be gave ol' Liz a brief pop at it and collectively decided: 'nah'.

The political equivalent of a failed drunken one-night stand.

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steeleye20 Online Croydon 11 Nov 22 4.08pm
No respite for Sunak this time its Raab. MoJ staff offered ‘route out’ amid concerns over Dominic Raab behaviour. Some civil servants may have still been traumatised by his previous stint there, sources say. Rude aggressive bullying staff etc.
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Croydon 11 Nov 22 4.08pm

No respite for Sunak this time its Raab.

MoJ staff offered ‘route out’ amid concerns over Dominic Raab behaviour.

Some civil servants may have still been traumatised by his previous stint there, sources say.

Rude aggressive bullying staff etc.

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 22 4.13pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The black hole and structural problems are already there. I mean, it wasn’t that the national debt was created by Liz Truss’s 44 days in government.” Kwarteng has a point. That's very true. The fact that Tory MPs thought Kwarteng's poor understanding and handling of market reaction creating a 60 billion loss was unacceptable yet regard Sunak....the guy who literally spent 400 billion keeping people at home is a little insane in my eyes. The markets apparently regard the ridiculous levels of spending by Sunak as sensible, yet when it's Kwarteng suddenly they throw a wobbler. Personally, I think there is more to it.....Sunak is their man. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

11 Nov 22 4.13pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The black hole and structural problems are already there. I mean, it wasn’t that the national debt was created by Liz Truss’s 44 days in government.”

Kwarteng has a point.

That's very true.

The fact that Tory MPs thought Kwarteng's poor understanding and handling of market reaction creating a 60 billion loss was unacceptable yet regard Sunak....the guy who literally spent 400 billion keeping people at home is a little insane in my eyes.

The markets apparently regard the ridiculous levels of spending by Sunak as sensible, yet when it's Kwarteng suddenly they throw a wobbler.

Personally, I think there is more to it.....Sunak is their man.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 22 5.29pm
Yesterday there was a UK Parliament vaccine debate. Dr John Campbell (nursing) reported on it and shows relevant clips from it here. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

11 Nov 22 5.29pm

Yesterday there was a UK Parliament vaccine debate.

Dr John Campbell (nursing) reported on it and shows relevant clips from it here.

[Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 11 Nov 22 7.06pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 No respite for Sunak this time its Raab. MoJ staff offered ‘route out’ amid concerns over Dominic Raab behaviour. Some civil servants may have still been traumatised by his previous stint there, sources say. Rude aggressive bullying staff etc. He is a black belt in a martial art- perhaps he takes it outside in the work place?
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 11 Nov 22 7.06pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No respite for Sunak this time its Raab.

MoJ staff offered ‘route out’ amid concerns over Dominic Raab behaviour.

Some civil servants may have still been traumatised by his previous stint there, sources say.

Rude aggressive bullying staff etc.

He is a black belt in a martial art- perhaps he takes it outside in the work place?

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Nov 22 7.23pm
Bullying is really an individual thing. If you work like a t* and you know your a t* then getting told your a t* and then getting all upset about it is the MO for a t. Personally I’ve never been ‘bullied ‘ at work; probably like most of us tbh, I do my job. A job is such that you get paid to do what your told or asked; whatever. IF you fail you are either lazy, incompetent or there is too much to do for the time your given. Check the cap I say. If a boss keeps going on at everyone then he’s the t who is destined to always be a t. These workers complaining about being bullied are probably t**s!!!
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cryrst

The garden of England 11 Nov 22 7.23pm

Bullying is really an individual thing.
If you work like a t*** and you know your a t*** then getting told your a t*** and then getting all upset about it is the MO for a t***. Personally I’ve never been ‘bullied ‘ at work; probably like most of us tbh, I do my job.
A job is such that you get paid to do what your told or asked; whatever. IF you fail you are either lazy, incompetent or there is too much to do for the time your given. Check the cap I say.
If a boss keeps going on at everyone then he’s the t*** who is destined to always be a t***.
These workers complaining about being bullied are probably t***s!!!

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