Nicely put Stirling. Perhaps negotiations are taking place that we don't know about, ala IRA. (we can hope)

The giving/selling of arms to Ukraine is given the much greater fanfare by The West, than any peace talks. The West was very much the provocateur in this by seeking to expand NATO in a move designed to get a reaction.

Think of all the CEO's and stakeholders (perhaps former Government members) of arms companies who get to trial new killing systems and raise share value. And increase sales significantly.
Why would they want to stop the war ?

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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The terrorism, deliberately targeting civilian areas, continues

That is the best analysis, succinct, objective and undeniably truthful, I have read about Putin's reasoning, morals and worldview.

I hope that the Putin apologists here, who dredge up their attitudes from the murky corners of the web, read it and then ponder long and hard about changing their position.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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You're a fantasist, I've just read the article....did you?

It has nothing to say of any importance and is mostly a rant about Putin being a bad person. Tell me what makes this the 'best analysis'?

Politics for children.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I fully agree.

Only the gullible believe any morality over Ukraine. This is a political, economic and military football between the west and Russia and now increasingly the BRICs system.

My own analysis has been that militarily the Ukraine isn't a war the west can win using mixing Ukrainians with Nato equipment. To win you would need Nato's armies and we know that this isn't going to be done.

They always planned to win this war economically but that's ended up making the world worst for everybody and actually hurting us more than Russia....It's cemented a cold war in place that helps China massively....the consequences of that down the line for us in the west isn't good.

It's madness....the elites are meant to improve the lives of their peoples not worsen them. In my view we have had low quality elites for decades now. It's a game for them, none of this hurts them personally.

But they have plenty of easily manipulated emotional children who are willing to believe their media and one sided narratives....and that's whether it's Russian or western.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2022 11.35am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I appreciate that the subject of German industrial output is not the most interesting but when you understand that the entire Euro is effectively underpinned by it, then this article is a sobering read..

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.