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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Aug 24 5.40pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

No, that’s exactly what you’re doing - just spend 5 minutes of your time on Google and you can find countless contributions to explain it.

Google filters its results ideologically.

Outside of progressive western institutions you will find the majority of the world thinks what you are saying here is insane.

If you even go back twenty years, those same institutions wouldn't agree with you. They have radically changed and that's not science, it's the ideology of those employed. What you claim is very very recent and is political. Lot of them also say race isn't real either, despite the mountain of evidence for it....just go into a sickle cell unit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2024 5.41pm)

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 Aug 24 5.42pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

The science is that Men have XY chromosomes and Women have XX chromosomes.

It's something we all learned in school. Unless you were not paying attention that day?

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Aug 24 5.43pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I know you’re in your little safe space on here but in the real world there is nothing odd about my view. If you had the bottle to communicate outside of your little bubble you might realise that.

Funny enough, whatever guesses you want to make about her genitalia are completely meaningless. I don’t tend to go round trying to guess what people’s genitalia look like, but each to their own like.

We don’t have to wonder why she has high testosterone: she has a medical condition. She also has a cervix, which in the previous manufactured version of this debate, was the criteria people liked for what defines a woman. Apparently that no longer applies as you are told to be outraged all over again.

She has had 50+ fights and as far as I’m aware has not caused any safety concerns or serious injury to opponents. Nor does she have a particularly impressive record. So any suggestion this is ruining the sport or the safety of the other participants doesn’t seem very well supported in reality, not that that matters anymore.

She has a biological unfair advantage. The fact she might be a crap boxer is secondary.

If she wasn't eligible for one competition, then ask yourself why she was for the Olympics.

Let me answer for you. It is about loony identity politics trumping common sense. It is hiding behind technicalities.

What I wonder will you say if a female boxer is killed or seriously injured by a transgender or someone with similar advantages?
How will your little bubble of ideological self righteous clap trap help their family?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Aug 2024 5.45pm)

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 Aug 24 5.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Google filters its results ideologically.

Outside of progressive western institutions you will find the majority of the world thinks what you are saying here is insane.

If you even go back twenty years, those same institutions wouldn't agree with you. They have radically changed and that's not science, it's the ideology of those employed. What you claim is very very recent and is political. Lot of them also say race isn't real either, despite the mountain of evidence for it....just go into a sickle cell unit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2024 5.41pm)

“Swyer syndrome was first described in the medical literature by Dr. Swyer in 1955.”

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 24 5.50pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

“Swyer syndrome was first described in the medical literature by Dr. Swyer in 1955.”

Dr Tom Sawyer - was he a Fin?

 


Red and Blue Army!

Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Aug 24 5.51pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Dr Tom Sawyer - was he a Fin?

He was his Huckleberry friend.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 Aug 24 5.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

She has a biological unfair advantage. The fact she might be a crap boxer is secondary.

If she wasn't eligible for one competition, then ask yourself why she was for the Olympics.

Let me answer for you. It is about loony identity politics trumping common sense. It is hiding behind technicalities.

What I wonder will you say if a female boxer is killed or seriously injured by a transgender or someone with similar advantages?
How will your little bubble of ideological self righteous clap trap help their family?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Aug 2024 5.45pm)

Lots of Olympians have biological advantages - that’s generally what makes them so impressive. What we determine as unfair within that is an interesting talking point.

As I’ve already said, there are reasonable conversations to be had around the likes of Semenya and Khalife’s participation in sports, but this bulls*** about her being a man is just objectively nonsense. Being trans is illegal in Algeria for starters… the idea that they would enter a trans athlete is absurd.

Many sports don’t allow trans women to participate - I have never for a second said I would support trans women competing in women’s sport. My point is simply that this isn’t one of those cases - this is not someone dominating a sport, nor seemingly causing any more injury than any other boxer.

 

eaglesdare Flag 02 Aug 24 6.00pm

"A rare disorder" did you not read your own link before posting it.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 02 Aug 24 6.03pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

“Swyer syndrome was first described in the medical literature by Dr. Swyer in 1955.”

No, don't do that.

You stated that men being born with XY Chromosomes and women XX was 'factually untrue'.

Those were your words.

Now you want to base the opposite on a condition that effects 1 in an 100,000 females and in most cases isn't even reported.

We all see what is happening here and I know a bloke's frame when I see it.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Aug 24 6.19pm

The two Olympians competing as 'female boxers' in Paris were previously disqualified from a women's boxing championship for having XY chromosomes.

The thinking is that people with this condition are extremely rare. How female or male they are comes down to individual situations and definitions. One thing is certain they still have the male hormone advantage that feeds into frame strength as they grow up and are thus highly sought after by certain countries for the Olympics exactly because they can avoid deselection.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2024 6.21pm)

 


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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 02 Aug 24 6.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The two Olympians competing as 'female boxers' in Paris were previously disqualified from a women's boxing championship for having XY chromosomes.

The thinking is that people with this condition are extremely rare. How female or male they are comes down to individual situations and definitions. One thing is certain they still have the male hormone advantage that feeds into frame strength as they grow up and are thus highly sought after by certain countries for the Olympics exactly because they can avoid deselection.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2024 6.21pm)


You can't possibly mean China . . .

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 24 6.40pm

Originally posted by eagleman13


You can't possibly mean China . . .

Nothing untoward about the Chinese Olympic team or their esteemed Chief Medical Officer - Prof. Gene Therapy.

 


Red and Blue Army!

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 02 Aug 24 6.51pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Nothing untoward about the Chinese Olympic team or their esteemed Chief Medical Officer - Prof. Gene Therapy.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Aug 24 6.53pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Lots of Olympians have biological advantages - that’s generally what makes them so impressive. What we determine as unfair within that is an interesting talking point.

As I’ve already said, there are reasonable conversations to be had around the likes of Semenya and Khalife’s participation in sports, but this bulls*** about her being a man is just objectively nonsense. Being trans is illegal in Algeria for starters… the idea that they would enter a trans athlete is absurd.

Many sports don’t allow trans women to participate - I have never for a second said I would support trans women competing in women’s sport. My point is simply that this isn’t one of those cases - this is not someone dominating a sport, nor seemingly causing any more injury than any other boxer.

Nice argument.

If there was Olympic wriggling, you would do very well.

Just because you can make an argument for something doesn't make it sensible.

Where would your reasoning draw the line?

Transvestites? Pantomime Horses? Cyborgs?

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Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Aug 2024 6.57pm)

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 Aug 24 7.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No, don't do that.

You stated that men being born with XY Chromosomes and women XX was 'factually untrue'.

Those were your words.

Now you want to base the opposite on a condition that effects 1 in an 100,000 females and in most cases isn't even reported.

We all see what is happening here and I know a bloke's frame when I see it.

Of course it is factually untrue to say that, if we acknowledge there are exceptions - the fact that those exceptions are rare doesn’t change that.

Loads of women have masculine frames - the idea that you just get to decide someone is transsexual because of how they look is laughable. As is the idea of a conservative Islamic nation like Algeria knowingly entering a trans athlete to represent them. Unless we’re suggesting she’s even fooled them for her whole career?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 02 Aug 24 7.30pm

Originally posted by eagleman13


You can't possibly mean China . . .

I can't read that word without hearing Trump say it.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Aug 24 7.38pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Of course it is factually untrue to say that, if we acknowledge there are exceptions - the fact that those exceptions are rare doesn’t change that.

Loads of women have masculine frames - the idea that you just get to decide someone is transsexual because of how they look is laughable. As is the idea of a conservative Islamic nation like Algeria knowingly entering a trans athlete to represent them. Unless we’re suggesting she’s even fooled them for her whole career?

Who spoke about trans? I didn't....however, if you want to go down the line that this isn't being manipulated then....are you interested in this bridge I'd like to sell you?

Only progressives can twist themselves into a position where a bloke gets to beat up a woman and they say nothing to see here.

It's really not that complicated. If someone is born with XY and has grown with the resultant male hormones at levels outside the scope of the normal female range then they can't box.

The vast majority of humans understand that.

 


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eaglesdare Flag 16 Aug 24 10.04am

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I agree with Simon Jordan and Laura woods.

 

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