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  Hrolf The Ganger  27 Jan 17 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
They do in the end if it keeps happening to the same group of people. If you say so. Most rioting I have seen recently in the name of justice mostly consists of looting shops and wanton destruction but I'm sure that was all justifiable too.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 27 Jan 17 10.29pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If you say so. Most rioting I have seen recently in the name of justice mostly consists of looting shops and wanton destruction but I'm sure that was all justifiable too. Nick's a great champion of smashing windows and damaging cars [source: his postings] or are we taking him out of context?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jan 17 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Nick's a great champion of smashing windows and damaging cars [source: his postings] or are we taking him out of context? Had there not been the poll tax riots, would we still have the poll tax?
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| Hoof Hearted 28 Jan 17 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Nick's a great champion of smashing windows and damaging cars [source: his postings] or are we taking him out of context?
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LOL| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
As a double glazing salesman I endorse his views whole heartedly
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Jan 17 11.08am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
As a double glazing salesman I endorse his views whole heartedly You are Ted Moult and I claim my £5
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| .TUX. 28 Jan 17 11.22am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
In some European countries this is already in force if you make a cash payment of 15,000 euros or more you need to have identification and the transaction is recorded. The EUR500 was called the 'bin laden' note countries are using any weapon they have in the fight against terrorism.
Yeah? How will it help when terrorists can just as easily 'trade' in something else?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Jan 17 11.25am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Had there not been the poll tax riots, would we still have the poll tax? No we would not - the Labour Party was committed to abolishing it, so Blair would have got rid of it. By the way, 'rates' or whatever they call it nowadays is unfair too.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Jan 17 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
No we would not - the Labour Party was committed to abolishing it, so Blair would have got rid of it. By the way, 'rates' or whatever they call it nowadays is unfair too. The protesters did not know that there would be a Blair government. Are you saying that they should have been clairvoyant? Edited by nickgusset (28 Jan 2017 1.27pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jan 17 1.34pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Had there not been the poll tax riots, would we still have the poll tax? What was wrong with poll tax? It just meant that everyone, including the unemployed yobbos who rioted, would pay something(if they ever bothered to get a job)instead of just house owners. It was fair and was hijacked by lefty activists and layabouts(often the same thing)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Jan 17 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The protesters did not know that there would be a Blair government. Are you saying that they should have been clairvoyant? Edited by nickgusset (28 Jan 2017 1.27pm) You didn't ask that did you. You asked if we would still have the Poll Tax without riots - no we would not. But in principal you support rioting if it is against some law that you do not agree with? Is it ok for anyone to riot over a law they do not agree with? Would you say it is ok to riot in protest against gay marriage say? Or perhaps higher rates of taxation for the more well off?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 17 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Yeah? How will it help when terrorists can just as easily 'trade' in something else? I don't think so the local economy depends on cash wherever you are. It's debatable if this measure works though - one thing it means the terrorists drug cartels etc. will move to the countries that have don't have it.
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| elgrande bedford 28 Jan 17 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
In some European countries this is already in force if you make a cash payment of 15,000 euros or more you need to have identification and the transaction is recorded. The EUR500 was called the 'bin laden' note countries are using any weapon they have in the fight against terrorism.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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Kermit8  Hevon 28 Jan 17 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It just meant that everyone, including the unemployed yobbos who rioted, would pay something(if they ever bothered to get a job)instead of just house owners. It was fair and was hijacked by lefty activists and layabouts(often the same thing) An example: The single occupiers in their one-bed flats were paying the same amount as the well to do families in their three or four bed detached because they happened to live in the same street even though the latter were, obviously, producing far more rubbish to be collected amongst other things. Plus, middle England hated it too because the unsalaried housewives were getting bills and being threatened with jail if they didn't pay. It was blatantly unfair and the best thing about it? Maggie's final nail.
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| matt_himself Matataland 28 Jan 17 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
An example: The single occupiers in their one-bed flats were paying the same amount as the well to do families in their three or four bed detached because they happened to live in the same street even though the latter were, obviously, producing far more rubbish to be collected amongst other things. Plus, middle England hated it too because the unsalaried housewives were getting bills and being threatened with jail if they didn't pay. It was blatantly unfair and the best thing about it? Maggie's final nail. Plus it was a bitch for your property development business.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jan 17 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
An example: The single occupiers in their one-bed flats were paying the same amount as the well to do families in their three or four bed detached because they happened to live in the same street even though the latter were, obviously, producing far more rubbish to be collected amongst other things. Plus, middle England hated it too because the unsalaried housewives were getting bills and being threatened with jail if they didn't pay. It was blatantly unfair and the best thing about it? Maggie's final nail. So is the system we have now fairer when lots of people pay nothing even though they use the same services? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jan 2017 6.10pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 28 Jan 17 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So is the system we have now fairer when lots of people pay nothing even though they use the same services? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jan 2017 6.10pm) Careful. You are chucking socialism back in their faces!
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 30 Jan 17 11.37am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Why didn't he condemn the violence? Probably because he didn't believe it was entirely wrong. He clearly felt the police acted in a way that partially justified it - the actions around Cynthia Jarrett were partly responsible for her death and were appallingly handled. And as a community leader and local council leader, he had a duty to give a voice to that. That doesn't mean he reveled in it. It just means he felt that black youths had a reason to feel so aggrieved they would consider rioting. And given the (now openly acknowledged) institutional racism in the Met at the time, he would have had a point.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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