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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 16 Sep 23 5.48pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

And so the C4 preparing to air an 'investigation' into a celebrity over alleged criminal activity.
I think investigative journalism (if that is what it is) in cases like this, should be passed to the CPS before they air it in public.
Also think it is wrong of media outlets (like the BBC) to report on alleged cases and (maybe) suspects. Look what happened with Sir Cliff.
The meeja have learned nothing, as 'historic' cases with no evidence are regurgitated as unsupported fact/allegation.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 16 Sep 23 11.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The second of these videos is highly likely the real reason that someone like Brand is suddenly attacked now....Ten years later.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Sep 2023 11.26pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Sep 23 10.07am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

After previous scandals involving TV “stars” resulted in the TV companies introducing tighter regulations and reporting requirements why should we be surprised to see those being applied?

Brand’s behaviour was always questionable and often completely unacceptable, at least to the majority.

Him being the focus of attention in the context of these revised expectations is only to be expected. Perhaps he has been expecting it and his attacks on the MSM are connected to preparing a defence whilst also providing a new source of income as the old ones had dried up because his behaviour had become recognised as unacceptable.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Sep 23 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

After previous scandals involving TV “stars” resulted in the TV companies introducing tighter regulations and reporting requirements why should we be surprised to see those being applied?

Brand’s behaviour was always questionable and often completely unacceptable, at least to the majority.

Him being the focus of attention in the context of these revised expectations is only to be expected. Perhaps he has been expecting it and his attacks on the MSM are connected to preparing a defence whilst also providing a new source of income as the old ones had dried up because his behaviour had become recognised as unacceptable.

There are laws that protect people from criminal behaviour.

There are no laws about sleeping with lots of women or who they are, as long as they are over 16. There are no laws about being disliked by a percentage of people.
Behaviour in the work place is guided by the organisation concerned, and they can discipline 'bad behaviour' rightly or wrongly as they see fit.

There is absolutely no room for trial by TV.

 

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I think it's fair to criticise Brand's highly promiscuous past as with the drug stuff, he has himself but it's fair....we are all entitled to that opinion but it's only that.

However, we are living in the 'OnlyFans' era and highly promiscuous people are usually not being shamed in the mainstream (perhaps they should be).

For me what happened with that phone call about Andrew Sachs's granddaughter was the worst and bad taste thing he did.....but he appeared genuinely remorseful for it as did Ross.....both are on the left so I can hardly be accused of batting for them.

But in regards to what has happened here it is of no surprise to me that if you run through that number of women that there is going to be some with an axe to grind for whatever reason.

Some might question that if Brand had been guilty of something that why we are hearing about it on a TV programme rather than from the Police.

Brand is a multi millionaire and can defend himself so I imagine that lawyers will be all over this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Sep 2023 2.53pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Sep 23 5.15pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There are laws that protect people from criminal behaviour.

There are no laws about sleeping with lots of women or who they are, as long as they are over 16. There are no laws about being disliked by a percentage of people.
Behaviour in the work place is guided by the organisation concerned, and they can discipline 'bad behaviour' rightly or wrongly as they see fit.

There is absolutely no room for trial by TV.

Once again no-one is questioning anything done legally, even if it is widely condemned as irresponsible and distasteful.

What is at issue here is unlawful behaviour. Rape amongst others. The accounts of the women sound authentic, whilst Brand's defence does not.

For sure a trial in a court is where such things need to be resolved but bringing this to that stage may not happen without this exposure being aired first. I expect it to come to court but should it not then will be the time to review any trial by TV.

Any women, who feels alone and isolated in her abuse is going to feel empowered and reassured by the knowledge that others share her situation. I will not be surprised if others now come forward.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 17 Sep 23 5.45pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think it's fair to criticise Brand's highly promiscuous past as with the drug stuff, he has himself but it's fair....

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Sep 2023 2.53pm)

in the case of Elvis Presley....all those women threw themselves at him.

There are shocking stories about some of the Beatles, in their early days.....again, seemingly consensual.

are women attracted to wealthy/famous blokes like flies to a UV light ?

no smoke without fire......i reckon Brand is not somebody i could warm to. Is he a Psychopath ?

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

in the case of Elvis Presley....all those women threw themselves at him.

There are shocking stories about some of the Beatles, in their early days.....again, seemingly consensual.

are women attracted to wealthy/famous blokes like flies to a UV light ?

no smoke without fire......i reckon Brand is not somebody i could warm to. Is he a Psychopath ?

The Stones as well....Also famously Kennedy and MLKJ.....it's all out there.

The mainstream though won't attack them and didn't attack them at the time because these were regime approved....Same as with Savile.

Attack the mainstream though and the dirt they collect on you is going to come out.

None of this is organic, it's all related to power.

Seen the mainstream media demanding the Epstein client list yet?

Seen them talk about the people it's known are on it?

Nope....it's not an accident.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Sep 2023 5.51pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Once again no-one is questioning anything done legally, even if it is widely condemned as irresponsible and distasteful.

What is at issue here is unlawful behaviour. Rape amongst others. The accounts of the women sound authentic, whilst Brand's defence does not.

For sure a trial in a court is where such things need to be resolved but bringing this to that stage may not happen without this exposure being aired first. I expect it to come to court but should it not then will be the time to review any trial by TV.

Any women, who feels alone and isolated in her abuse is going to feel empowered and reassured by the knowledge that others share her situation. I will not be surprised if others now come forward.

Well, thank god for UK courts & not someone who is, so out of touch, it beggar's belief. In the highlighted bit, you have Brand guilty of Rape. You yourself have said you believe the 'unknown' women & that Brand's does not stand up. How many more bbc employee's are you going to stand up for when the overwhelming evidence says otherwise, Brand was an employee & before you start, yes i know he was sack/let go. Whoopy fcukin doo.

Brand, whether you like him or not, has been tried by TV, that is not legally binding. Too many people, incl you, jump on the 'snowflake' band wagon. Nothing has been 'proved' apart from the unknown women spouting off what ever they were paid to say.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


For sure a trial in a court is where such things need to be resolved

best not mention all the pakistani rape-gangs then ? Lest you get accused of being a racist ?

 


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Originally posted by eagleman13

Well, thank god for UK courts & not someone who is, so out of touch, it beggar's belief. In the highlighted bit, you have Brand guilty of Rape. You yourself have said you believe the 'unknown' women & that Brand's does not stand up. How many more bbc employee's are you going to stand up for when the overwhelming evidence says otherwise, Brand was an employee & before you start, yes i know he was sack/let go. Whoopy fcukin doo.

Brand, whether you like him or not, has been tried by TV, that is not legally binding. Too many people, incl you, jump on the 'snowflake' band wagon. Nothing has been 'proved' apart from the unknown women spouting off what ever they were paid to say.

What I said was the truth, and nothing but the truth. The issue is accusations of unlawful behaviour, including rape and not anything distasteful but legal. No-one has yet been tried, let alone convicted. That I found the statements by the women more believable than that of Brand does not mean a Court will. Due process is the only way to determine probable truth, which I also acknowledged.

Nothing in the way the women described their experiences gave any indication they were being paid, indeed one specifically rejected any such suggestion as a motivation. For sure if and when a Court hears their claims the defence will probe hard to find that out, examine bank accounts and lifestyles and during the exchanges of document disclosures. They would be extremely foolish to accept payment and the TV and Newspaper carrying out the investigation plain stupid to offer it.

Brand has not been tried by TV. An investigation has thrown up some allegations which could, in due time and following due process, result in a trial.

Deciding to make that investigation public, rather than take it directly to the police, can be questioned. No doubt that C4 and The Times would claim it's in the public interest but I would suggest it's more in the interest of the alleged victims to know they are not alone and that any case would be prosecuted jointly.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What I said was the truth, and nothing but the truth. The issue is accusations of unlawful behaviour, including rape and not anything distasteful but legal. No-one has yet been tried, let alone convicted. That I found the statements by the women more believable than that of Brand does not mean a Court will. Due process is the only way to determine probable truth, which I also acknowledged.

Nothing in the way the women described their experiences gave any indication they were being paid, indeed one specifically rejected any such suggestion as a motivation. For sure if and when a Court hears their claims the defence will probe hard to find that out, examine bank accounts and lifestyles and during the exchanges of document disclosures. They would be extremely foolish to accept payment and the TV and Newspaper carrying out the investigation plain stupid to offer it.

Brand has not been tried by TV. An investigation has thrown up some allegations which could, in due time and following due process, result in a trial.

Deciding to make that investigation public, rather than take it directly to the police, can be questioned. No doubt that C4 and The Times would claim it's in the public interest but I would suggest it's more in the interest of the alleged victims to know they are not alone and that any case would be prosecuted jointly.


Of course he has been tried by TV
The alleged victim was in a relationship with Brand and admitted he had never done anything previously to worry her. She did not go to the police, why not? This was in the land of the law suit, the US.
Whether you like Brand or not, the evidence is suspect to say the least. Perhaps he just needs help and loving like Hunter

Edited by Spiderman (17 Sep 2023 7.47pm)

 

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