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samprior Flag Hamburg 18 Jun 19 4.03am

Originally posted by bashy2

AWB is worth 50m of anyone money his young and will be in the England squad before the end of the year UTD are taking the mick with they offer I would tell them his not for sale and come back in a year's time when his going to be worth alot more money in a year's time than his worth now

If we can get 50m this year and it's a big 'if' then I can't see how we'd be in a position to turn it down.

I honestly don't think next season he'll be worth a lot more. Possibly 60m 'if' he has another outstanding season and gets into the England squad (sadly I don't think he'll ever start much at RB failing an injury to TAA)...but again that's another big 'if' considering the number of variables in football i.e player performance, player desires, team performance, league status, injury, suspension, availability of new transfer alternative etc.

So with all of these plus one year less on his contract I don't think his value will go up as much as it has already. I think this risk/reward analysis is what we will see 'if' we are offered 50m.

It'll be a sad day for sure but could also lead to stronger youth recruitment where players see the potential of joining Crystal Palace.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

YT Flag Oxford 18 Jun 19 6.41am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

£55m and chuck in Benteke. Happy days.

£55m WITHOUT Benteke
£50m and take Benteke

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 18 Jun 19 8.30am

Originally posted by samprior

If we can get 50m this year and it's a big 'if' then I can't see how we'd be in a position to turn it down.

I honestly don't think next season he'll be worth a lot more. Possibly 60m 'if' he has another outstanding season and gets into the England squad (sadly I don't think he'll ever start much at RB failing an injury to TAA)...but again that's another big 'if' considering the number of variables in football i.e player performance, player desires, team performance, league status, injury, suspension, availability of new transfer alternative etc.

So with all of these plus one year less on his contract I don't think his value will go up as much as it has already. I think this risk/reward analysis is what we will see 'if' we are offered 50m.

It'll be a sad day for sure but could also lead to stronger youth recruitment where players see the potential of joining Crystal Palace.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Haha, the ironic thing is, if he moves to Man Utd then automagically he will become the England first choice because he would of course instantly be a better player! Same thing with value. Apparently he is worth £50m playing for Palace however a year at Utd and he’ll be worth £100m.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 19 11.38am

All this talk of money.

Don't Palace fans actually want to watch great players in the shirt?

Isn't that what fans pay money for?

If United paid us a trillion pounds I would still be gutted to lose one of our most talented ever defenders.

We will never be anything all the time we sell our best talent and history shows that.

Wright, Sansom, Armstrong, Taylor, Salako, McGoldrick, Moses, Fonte and more...

All sold as we went backward.

 

bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 18 Jun 19 12.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All this talk of money.

Don't Palace fans actually want to watch great players in the shirt?

Isn't that what fans pay money for?

If United paid us a trillion pounds I would still be gutted to lose one of our most talented ever defenders.

We will never be anything all the time we sell our best talent and history shows that.

Wright, Sansom, Armstrong, Taylor, Salako, McGoldrick, Moses, Fonte and more...

All sold as we went backward.

I agree. If we always let these sort of players walk out the door we'll never be better than we are and, as you say, most likely worse. If we want to grow as a club, one of the surest ways is success on the pitch, and we won't do that if we allow all of the talent to be harvested.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 18 Jun 19 12.43pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All this talk of money.

Don't Palace fans actually want to watch great players in the shirt?

Isn't that what fans pay money for?

If United paid us a trillion pounds I would still be gutted to lose one of our most talented ever defenders.

We will never be anything all the time we sell our best talent and history shows that.

Wright, Sansom, Armstrong, Taylor, Salako, McGoldrick, Moses, Fonte and more...

All sold as we went backward.

Just before we went skint! It’s all about money I’m afraid.

As much as I would love us to keep all of our best players we need to be able to replace those ageing players who have no value and unless we have generous benefactors (which it appears we do not), then the money has to come from somewhere.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jun 19 12.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All this talk of money.

Don't Palace fans actually want to watch great players in the shirt?

Isn't that what fans pay money for?

If United paid us a trillion pounds I would still be gutted to lose one of our most talented ever defenders.

We will never be anything all the time we sell our best talent and history shows that.

Wright, Sansom, Armstrong, Taylor, Salako, McGoldrick, Moses, Fonte and more...

All sold as we went backward.

Unfortunately that is football, particularly these days, and has been for many years.

The economics don't need revisiting yet again, but given where the club is at the moment it's likely that we need to sell before we can buy. And in doing so strengthen the overall squad.

Of the players you mention, most wanted to leave and some - Moses and Fonte - had to.

And actually, no I don't pay money to watch great players in the shirt. I choose to pay to watch whoever is in the shirt.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Unfortunately that is football, particularly these days, and has been for many years.

The economics don't need revisiting yet again, but given where the club is at the moment it's likely that we need to sell before we can buy. And in doing so strengthen the overall squad.

Of the players you mention, most wanted to leave and some - Moses and Fonte - had to.

And actually, no I don't pay money to watch great players in the shirt. I choose to pay to watch whoever is in the shirt.

So if we lost every week you'd be happy?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 19 1.02pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

I agree. If we always let these sort of players walk out the door we'll never be better than we are and, as you say, most likely worse. If we want to grow as a club, one of the surest ways is success on the pitch, and we won't do that if we allow all of the talent to be harvested.

Exactly right.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jun 19 1.08pm

Selling Ian Wright was a clear mistake.

I have mixed feelings about this type of situation. If a player doesn't want to play for you anymore then I think that's a disruptive force that affects the playing environment.

I'm rather drawn the the conclusion that each situation is its own dynamic which requires cogent and wise oversight.

 


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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 18 Jun 19 1.19pm

I disagree that we can't sell our best players and thrive.

Watford have proved that it's a workable model if you have the scouting system in place to replace the players that you let go. Unfortunately our scouting system is terrible.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jun 19 1.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So if we lost every week you'd be happy?

Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons !

You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs.

I would love our club to be in a position to build around it's best players rather than have to sell. But until Palace are bankrolled to the extent that it is possible to do that, it remains an ambition

 


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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 18 Jun 19 1.32pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All this talk of money.

Don't Palace fans actually want to watch great players in the shirt?

yes, I think we All do

Quote
Isn't that what fans pay money for?

If United paid us a trillion pounds I would still be gutted to lose one of our most talented ever defenders.

As would I...

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We will never be anything all the time we sell our best talent and history shows that.

Wright, Sansom, Armstrong, Taylor, Salako, McGoldrick, Moses, Fonte and more...

All sold as we went backward.

I agree It's not sustainable, and if we were to keep doing it, then that's a mistake. You take each opportunity on it's own Merit, and have to consider immediate needs as well as long term ones.
Nobody wants to see AWB leave, but instead want to see the glaring deficiencies in our squad addressed so we can move on that way.


Edited by CrazyBadger (18 Jun 2019 1.33pm)

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 18 Jun 19 1.39pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons !

You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs.

I would love our club to be in a position to build around it's best players rather than have to sell. But until Palace are bankrolled to the extent that it is possible to do that, it remains an ambition

Even more exactly right!

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 18 Jun 19 1.55pm

Our team needs investment, we need income to do this. We will not get relegated because we sell our right back. That’s not being disrespectful to Aaron. There’s not many clubs that would implode when losing their best full back.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 19 3.00pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Not at all. And I don't know how you arrived at the possibility that I would be. My point being that for every Zaha or Wright, I've seen a hundred of John Laceys and Brian Basons !

You appear to be finding it difficult to acknowledge the financial side of the game. Let alone the personal ambitions of players that like it or not, want to play for bigger clubs.

I would love our club to be in a position to build around it's best players rather than have to sell. But until Palace are bankrolled to the extent that it is possible to do that, it remains an ambition

I really don't. I just know that winning games is the way to progress and having star players is the way to increase the fan base.
I'm by no means convinced that a financial windfall will improve us as a team.
We spent nothing last season and survived. Surely our mission as a club is to survive until we have a better ground and larger capacity that will enable us to be more competitive with the clubs above us. That will be achieved best with better players.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jun 19 3.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I really don't. I just know that winning games is the way to progress and having star players is the way to increase the fan base.
I'm by no means convinced that a financial windfall will improve us as a team.
We spent nothing last season and survived. Surely our mission as a club is to survive until we have a better ground and larger capacity that will enable us to be more competitive with the clubs above us. That will be achieved best with better players.

Let's look at it another way.

We have managed to keep Wilf, a '' star player '' despite the reported interest in him by other clubs. But not without a financial cost, he now earns £120k a week. You mention the constraints we have re an improved stadium and larger capacity - paying him, Benteke and Sakho such wages is only sustainable if you reduce the budget elsewhere. That's another reason why we aren't big spenders.

I share your concern regarding whether funds from a player sale will be wisely spent, but it provides an opportunity to bring in players that otherwise would not be there.

As with most things in life, there is a risk element in decisions that are made. I think the risk of Palace being relegated due to the sale of AWB is sufficiently low for it to be considered.

 


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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 18 Jun 19 3.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I really don't. I just know that winning games is the way to progress and having star players is the way to increase the fan base.
I'm by no means convinced that a financial windfall will improve us as a team.
We spent nothing last season and survived. Surely our mission as a club is to survive until we have a better ground and larger capacity that will enable us to be more competitive with the clubs above us. That will be achieved best with better players.

Now that we can agree on...but we have to have faith that our scouting department will find the right players, and then we can negotiate a deal to bring them here.
That's a whole different problem!

 


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Tipp_Eagle Flag Tipperary 18 Jun 19 3.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Exactly right.

I agree also 100 percent , but what can you do if a player wants to leave .

 


oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

Tipp_Eagle Flag Tipperary 18 Jun 19 3.49pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Now that we can agree on...but we have to have faith that our scouting department will find the right players, and then we can negotiate a deal to bring them here.
That's a whole different problem!

-.-'

 


oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

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