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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I have recently heard headlines from the remain camp regurgitated by young people who are supposed to be 'the educated young' compared to the bigoted idiots who voted leave. 3 million will lose their jobs If you really think enough of the 600,000 or so 16/17 year olds have enough knowledge or experience to analyse and make a decision that they haven't been brain washed into then fair enough. Only 36% of the 18-25 voted and then act like keyboard warriors who'd run a mile or clam once confronted. The best thing they can do is pull together and make the best of everything when a likely compromise or middle ground is reached with the EU members. I don't disagree with your argument at all, I just think the way you stereotype young people is lazy and weak. Judging by the bit in bold, you clearly disagree with the stereotyping of all leavers as bigots, and rightly so, but how do you then justify proceeding to stereotype another massive portion of society in a similar manner, as you have done across numerous posts on here recently?
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't disagree with your argument at all, I just think the way you stereotype young people is lazy and weak. I could say the same when you post one liners. I'm stereotyping them because enough of them are showing themselves to be an embarrassment and forgetting some of the core values of our society, and all because they can do it from a keyboard. Before last week I felt sorry for all the young and how much harder it is to be able to live away from home. Not so much now but they can still redeem themselves, not that I think anything much when seeing young people out and about, apart from buying a belt and skinny jeans look shyte, or if they're anti social in daylight and in sight of people.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I could say the same when you post one liners. I'm stereotyping them because enough of them are showing themselves to be an embarrassment and forgetting some of the core values of our society, and all because they can do it from a keyboard. Before last week I felt sorry for all the young and how much harder it is to be able to live away from home. Not so much now but they can still redeem themselves, not that I think anything much when seeing young people out and about, apart from buying a belt and skinny jeans look shyte, or if they're anti social in daylight and in sight of people. Sorry - I did expand on my post above just as you replied. Regarding this post, and the bit in bold - the same rationale could so easily be applied to leavers - enough of them showed themselves to be an embarrassment, and forgot core values of our society, yet stereotyping them is rightly condemned. As I said above, I agree with a lot of your argument, I just find the lazy stereotyping to be in ill-taste, and more than a touch hypocritical.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Sorry - I did expand on my post above just as you replied. Regarding this post, and the bit in bold - the same rationale could so easily be applied to leavers - enough of them showed themselves to be an embarrassment, and forgot core values of our society, yet stereotyping them is rightly condemned. As I said above, I agree with a lot of your argument, I just find the lazy stereotyping to be in ill-taste, and more than a touch hypocritical. There is a minority of racist incidents. These are low life scum and shouldn't be confused with us. The remainers who demand we undermine democracy are creating the poor behaviour, which is mainly online. If they cut it out then we can all move forward. More than likely the UK won't get everything the leavers want and then we'll all eventually move forward. The reverend on QT just after the ref had it right. I can't remember what he said but he was angry at the way the country was arguing with each other. Until they accept it, we cannot move forward. It is up to them. Until then, they are prolonging this divide. Nation divided is on Sky News tonight. The young can help to reverse the divide, or think about their own lives only. Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Jul 2016 7.11pm)
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't disagree with your argument at all, I just think the way you stereotype young people is lazy and weak. Judging by the bit in bold, you clearly disagree with the stereotyping of all leavers as bigots, and rightly so, but how do you then justify proceeding to stereotype another massive portion of society in a similar manner, as you have done across numerous posts on here recently?
When you simplify it they have started it and they are prolonging the arguments. Someone has to back down or it continues, and seeing as the young started it and still are, perhaps they should try backing down. I'm done with this particular part of the debate. It's up to them. Move on or wait to see what happens.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I don't think you read your own link properly Cucking Just to be clear here is another definition that I took from a randomly selected site (Cambridge Online Dictionaries) ''not having the right to vote, or a similar right, or having had that right taken away:'' Funnily enough, I don't think you realized what you argued. Here it is, and I quote: "Let's try again shall we. 16 and 17 year olds are bitter at being disenfranchised." As they never had the vote this statement is false in fact. Had you instead argued that they are disenfranchised by not being granted a vote, that might have been more reasonable. Funnily enough, this might help: As might this: Edited by NickinOX (04 Jul 2016 7.18pm)
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I have recently heard headlines from the remain camp regurgitated by young people who are supposed to be 'the educated young' compared to the bigoted idiots who voted leave. 3 million will lose their jobs If you really think enough of the 600,000 or so 16/17 year olds have enough knowledge or experience to analyse and make a decision that they haven't been brain washed into then fair enough. Only 36% of the 18-25 voted and then act like keyboard warriors who'd run a mile or clam once confronted. The best thing they can do is pull together and make the best of everything when a likely compromise or middle ground is reached with the EU members. You must hate me. If you didn't you would read my posts. To repeat, again. Young people voted in similar proportions to everyone else according to the London School of Economics survey undertaken by Opinium. Some quotes: Bruter and Harrison said they found turnout among young people to be far higher than data has so far suggested. “Young people cared and voted in very large numbers. We found turnout was very close to the national average, and much higher than in general and local elections. “After correcting for over-reporting [people always say they vote more than they do], we found that the likely turnout of 18- to 24-year-olds was 70% – just 2.5% below the national average – and 67% for 25- to 29-year-olds. Opinium also found that, on average, British voters now believe that the typical UK household will be £264 worse off every year over the next five years. More than 46.5 million people voted in the referendum on 23 June, which resulted in the UK voting by 51.9% to 49.1% to withdraw from the EU. More than 70% of people aged 18 to 24 voted to remain in the EU, while among those over 60 there was a large majority in favour of leaving.'
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There is a minority of racist incidents. These are low life scum and shouldn't be confused with us. The remainers who demand we undermine democracy are creating the poor behaviour, which is mainly online. If they cut it out then we can all move forward. More than likely the UK won't get everything the leavers want and then we'll all eventually move forward. The reverend on QT just after the ref had it right. I can't remember what he said but he was angry at the way the country was arguing with each other. Until they accept it, we cannot move forward. It is up to them. Until then, they are prolonging this divide. Nation divided is on Sky News tonight. The young can help to reverse the divide, or think about their own lives only. Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Jul 2016 7.11pm) It's like you're taking the stereotyping high-ground - neither are fair or representative, so both are wrong - surely you can see the contradiction in what you're doing? As for the rest of the post, on the whole I agree - I was a remainer throughout, but the refusal to accept the result does nothing but hinder progress and further divide the country - but lazy stereotyping of large portions of society performs a very similar function in that regard.
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Originally posted by NickinOX
Funnily enough, I don't think you realized what you argued. Here it is, and I quote: "Let's try again shall we. 16 and 17 year olds are bitter at being disenfranchised." As they never had the vote this statement is false in fact. Had you instead argued that they are disenfranchised by not being granted a vote, that might have been more reasonable. Funnily enough, this might help: As might this: Edited by NickinOX (04 Jul 2016 7.18pm) My points stand. Being disenfranchised is an accurate reflection and is not grammatically or logically incorrect. Your link is from 28 June. The data has been superseded, see above.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You must hate me. If you didn't you would read my posts. To repeat, again. Young people voted in similar proportions to everyone else according to the London School of Economics survey undertaken by Opinium. Some quotes: Bruter and Harrison said they found turnout among young people to be far higher than data has so far suggested. “Young people cared and voted in very large numbers. We found turnout was very close to the national average, and much higher than in general and local elections. “After correcting for over-reporting [people always say they vote more than they do], we found that the likely turnout of 18- to 24-year-olds was 70% – just 2.5% below the national average – and 67% for 25- to 29-year-olds. Opinium also found that, on average, British voters now believe that the typical UK household will be £264 worse off every year over the next five years. More than 46.5 million people voted in the referendum on 23 June, which resulted in the UK voting by 51.9% to 49.1% to withdraw from the EU. More than 70% of people aged 18 to 24 voted to remain in the EU, while among those over 60 there was a large majority in favour of leaving.' Wasn't there other bodies with different findings/analysis? £264 per year is hardly crippling if you can adjust by making some minor adjustments. It is debt that sends the vulnerable over the edge and better wages, and dare I even say it, a vacancy to apply for when the living wage comes into effect in 2020 is going to go some way to improve their situation. For plenty of people it's £5 a year they won't even notice when chucking out £30 of food every week or the same on an unnecessary sugar and saturated fat laden take away.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It's like you're taking the stereotyping high-ground - neither are fair or representative, so both are wrong - surely you can see the contradiction in what you're doing? As for the rest of the post, on the whole I agree - I was a remainer throughout, but the refusal to accept the result does nothing but hinder progress and further divide the country - but lazy stereotyping of large portions of society performs a very similar function in that regard.
I'm only doing it on here. I'm not going on facebook and feeding them. What would be the point? If it was face to face I'd tell them why I voted leave. It really comes back to they need to be the ones to relax and back down. They are fuelling the arguments.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I'm only doing it on here. I'm not going on facebook and feeding them. What would be the point? If it was face to face I'd tell them why I voted leave. It really comes back to they need to be the ones to relax and back down. They are fuelling the arguments. You're missing the point completely - if someone acts like a spoilt brat, feel free to tell them or take the piss - the difference is assuming everybody else within that demographic thinks and acts the same, as you and others have done many times on this thread - and it was those same voices posting about how unfair it is to label all leavers racists - it's exactly the same principle.
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