You're right on this. It feels like an unstable environment and it pays to be rather diplomatic in these uncertain times. Theresa May and in fact most in government and opposition right now are playing for headlines. A very short term view and not something that will help us with future trade deals and the like.

The Tories have a precarious position and they will want to keep what there is of their minority voters on side. Get used to it. Pandering to minorities will be the politics of the future.

That's what a lot of this is all about really. Anger that groups you could once denigrate or brush off with ease now have a voice too. It's new and to some it's unsettling. We aren't Russia though and I'm glad we're not. In the context of the point you're making that means you're not simply right because you're white. You are judged by -shock horror- your views and behaviour.

If people are unhappy with the current system I would be perfectly happy with proportional representation. That would mean that every vote counts and would allow people to push their particular view of the world. For better or for worse it would at least be an accurate representation of the nation as a whole and as I said before, people get the government they deserve so go for it.

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There is a sense that some people are pulling up the drawbridge.

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Yes, politics should be as local as possible to best benefit members of those communities. Under the current system in most areas you may as well not even have a vote so many people become disenfranchised. In a two party system, by far the biggest diversity problem, namely poor people getting screwed over, is very easy to maintain. PR is more dynamic in comparison and a somewhat harder system to game with any level of certainty.

Sod it though....this shower need a dosh of Corbyn to shut them up......even my 24 year old nephew working as an estate agent came out as a corbyn fan the other day...that's what happens when you stay in Sheffield flat sharing with your old uni mates.

I told the lad straight....Your job will go quicker than a fart in a bean factory.

I'm turning to the opinion that we need five years of this moron just to show a generation of people who haven't experienced these failed ideas just where they get us.

I know they would blame everything else but themselves but at least.....we wouldn't get pathetic joke Tories presenting themselves as progressives like this lot.....a dosh of Corbyn will lead to another Thatcher like response...just as what happened the last time the far left ruled.

I'd rather vote Corbyn than May at this point.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Come on, this has been gone over loads of times. Corbyn is not extreme left, only perhaps if compared to May, who was always known as being the right of the party, mind you, it was also accepted by Tories pre election as being 'a safe pair of hands' !
This of course digresses from the subject at hand. Was Trump a wally for retweeting Britain First propaganda?

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Let's just say, Nick, that I would regard the combination of Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott/Thornberry as, if not extreme. very left-wing. But I accept that any strong Labour force would seem extreme after the Blair years.

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious